Destroying all shuffle enjoyers' arguments for you

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So I’ve been debating with a lot of delusional people here and I decided to destroy all the pro shuffle ( rated ) arguments so we can once and for all all agree together that rated shuffle has to be deleted.

-NUMBER ONE : “Shuffle gets me to play without being in lfg an waiting for hours”.

Let’s be clear with that one : I began pvp at bfa. My whole bnet list are friends I farmed mounts with, and did not want to pvp. I LOVED the Elite plate set for my warrior from the season 1 in bfa and I dedicated myself to get it, no matter what.
At first, you queue with double dps at lower rating, and you’re actually having fun learning what the hell is going on here. Then, you’re looking for a healer as there are mostly that in 2v2.
I was stuck at 1.4 and 1.6. And I never gave up, I sat for hours in lfg and played, tryharded, made a lot of friends, some ennemies, got flamed, got praised… And after 1500 games stuck below 1.8… I got it. The amount of joy I had was unimaginable. I screamed IRL at the top of my 15 years old punk lungs.

Now, how can you get your set ? Shuffle. But oh wait !
You are waitign 50 minutes for it.
So shuffle players are telling me they would rather wait 50 minutes or more to get into a lobby filled with AS BAD PEOPLE AS THEY ARE, pray getting at least 3-3 to get +10 cr and continue ? That’s just laughable.

-NUMBER TWO : “Shuffle offers off meta comps, and diversity”.

Oh yeah, that is probably why most healers queuing at some point were only hpal and hpriest, that we had 4 ret lobbies, that every time I get into shuffle I meet a hunter, and that the only way you’re really getting off meta specs is below 1.6. Oh shot ! That is the same in lfg ! Cool! Just get the hell out of shuffle. If you want comp diversity I’d advise you to go to NA. In EU even sometimes at 1.6 you get fotm comps/classes.

-NUMBER THREE : “Shuffle is enjoyable, I have fun in it”

Delusional. Is that because shuffle is fun that people are tilting the most and getting 2 weeks ban ? Is fun the word that comes at you as a healer when you’re doing RP as being a babysitter for toddlers throwing fieces at eachother screaming macros while you’re asking them to stay in the big yellow circle ( Dome of light ) ?
Is it fun to outplay the ennemies, giving opportunities to your team mates to do something valuable, but you forgot they are toddlers playing with their own fieces that will cry and insult you because " you no dps you bad pls do damage " ?

Is it fun when you’re peacefully playing, doing dps, and then you see someone died with their whole spellbook available, the dead one and the healer ?

Is it fun to play in the bracket where there is literally the most dps bots ? healer bots ? Is it fun to play against an immovible ele shaman doing twice more dps than if you would have been BL in a raid boss ?

-NUMBER FOUR : “Who are you, people love shuffle anyway; it’s the most popular, everybody does it !”

Everybody does it NOT BECAUSE IT IS FUN, ENJOYABLE OR ANYTHING ELSE, they are doing it BECAUSE THEY ARE BAD PLAYERS THAT DO NOT WANT TO BOTHER GETTING THE THING THE RIGHT WAY.
Give people a choice between working hard for something or getting it ten times faster. Most people enjoy the easy way.

Now, what are the consequences of all that mess shuffle brought ?

  • Death of the lfg, less than 10 teams at around 2 am ( with both factions included, while in bfa, 2 am meant, with only one faction at least 15 teams )
  • Death of the 2v2 and 3v3 bracket ( Impossible to meet more than 10 teams in your mmr. Mathematically impossible. Deflation of the ranking, in SL season 3, Elite was at about top 7000, I checked it. Now, 2.4 cr in 2s is about top 50. Do you realize ? )
  • Fotm enjoyers, mmr inflation enjoyers ( Basically people will wait that the ladder is inflated so they can just take a big class to get elite and the legend achievement. )

Give us back unrated shuffle, the best chill mode that ever was implemented. Get us rid of rated shuffle, which is as I proved it the worst mode possible.

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You can’t tell others what they enjoy, mate, that’s not how it works.

They either do, or don’t. Has nothing to do with your personal opinion.

The verb “like” does not have an imperative form for a reason. Therefore “destroying the reasons others like something” does not make sense in any context, wow-related or not.

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he just destroyed all the elites gained in shuffle and you know it

but its the same in 2/3s, you can look some who got glad/elite example and you look when he got it and then what he took it with and you can make some deductions of what comp they took it with, playing x+x+x on various seasons to hit elite/glad doesnt always equal the people are good you can then try play with one and the guy example has zero awareness for nothing and says “bro bro bro bro” after he line your healer 500x or rushed to die in the room solo and then says “bro” cause he just doesnt have the awareness to look team positions or the game like people with bit more intelligence do

there is always a way to cheese achievements be it shuffle or 2/3s i mean and it doesnt make these people anymore skilful you just have to do bit more leg work when you comb people and try deduct their value for the task your looking for

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No idea what the intention of this whole post is about.

You don’t like shuffle? Great, you have enough alternatives to play! But why the heck do you think you are in a position to tell other people to feel the same way you do?

In my opinion, shuffle is the fairest PvP arena mode we have. You disagree? Guess what, I don’t care a single bit about!

No, but is it fun to only blame them, while you actually had your whole cc spellbook which could have supported them to keep alive?

Isn’t it also skill to prove that you can even win with those people, which will lead in more won rounds and end up in reaching high ratings in shuffle?

So why are the top ranked people like meehh, raiku, whaazz, lontar, bicmex, kasu, tony, infernion, etc. are playing it? And even more important: Why are they dominating there as well?

Do you want to say they are bad players who can’t get things done the right way? Or that they play the mode without having fun, while they clearly could find enough people to play with at any time?

Does your statement make any sense to you?

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You dont make any sense, Lillydot. Streamers and top players play solo to get many views = more money. Its simple logic. And even some other top players just like to dominate solo casuals for fun thats why they play it.
They are all high rared in 2s/3s meanwhile solo noob casuals are stuck below them in solo😄

1 They are stuck at real pvp mode 1.4k😄
2 Go for unrated solo as they know its inflated so they can have some ‘hope’ that they are good
3 Solo is HEAVY inflated 600 points more than 3s

Guys you really think newbeginner casuals that are 2.2k in solo could have been 2.2 in 3s right now? Really? Be honest.

Blizz devs have to make logical conclusion, and they are going to make that in the end. Then solo will be removed for good.

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Yes, they should also remove 2s since 3s is the only real rated bracket :smiley:

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why didnt just make soloq 1 round with normal 3v3 dampen rules or 6v6 with some objective in smaller map than the regular ab/wsg etc or both. we could had both

why not try put more effort on pvp at this game why treat it like minigame, more people playing pvp on priva currently than what there is in retail pvp and privas have different style soloq than shuffle :man_shrugging:

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It’s funny how you modified twice your post and you’re still incapable not to write dumb things, like you always do by the way.

I didn’t ask for your opinion, I am not giving one, I am saying facts that you do not accept as I roasted you undirectly, since you are probably one of those shuffle enjoyers who would not get half the rating you got in normal brackets.

“No, but is it fun to only blame them, while you actually had your whole cc spellbook which could have supported them to keep alive?”

At this point I know you are actually trolling, and that you agree with me. If you’re a paladin, that your team and cc and you see that people burst you, that you do not press a single ability, am I the one to blame ? Haha, please, do not write such things no more as I’m losing IQ reading it

“Do you want to say they are bad players who can’t get things done the right way? Or that they play the mode without having fun, while they clearly could find enough people to play with at any time?”

You are just clueless, you do not make any sense. And that is why I won’t answer nor read any of your posts anymore.

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Beside that I see them playing it off stream as well and that there are basically a tone of current r1 players enjoying shuffle too, how can shuffle cause many viewers, when people actually don’t like shuffle?

Do you watch stuff that you think is unfun?

Exactly! They play it for fun. That is what I am saying!

We already talked about that. I think in its current design it is the fairest mode. The queue times aren’t great, neither is the healer mmr, but beside that I like the way it is and don’t want it to be changed.

I just added some quotes and talked about them. You maybe think they are dumb, but why do you think your nonsense is not? :slight_smile:

Neither did I asked for yours, but nevertheless did you decide to open a forum post. If you don’t want people talking about it, why are sharing your thoughts with others?

And if you don’t want to read especially my answers, there is a button that makes sure you don’t have to read them anymore.

You are the one that don’t make sense!!!

You come up with some stupid arguments to support your personal opinion. You are telling us shuffle is unfun and only noobs are playing it. But when I watch at the shuffle ladder, I see a tone of highrated people of 3s are pushing games there as well. Why would they do it when it is unfun?!

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i didnt say to you per se but ill reply now, healers dont like it and that is a problem and also prevents me from enjoying it as dps nor heal

I think it would been fairer for all if it were 1 round with 3v3 dampen rules and it would attracted more healers on it, and we cant really remove high dampen from 6 round format as that would increase the length of these 6 rounds and que times, the only option really is 1 round with normal arenas rules just like arena has been from tbc, this includes drinking and normal rules on deaths where you can still win a round with 2v3

I would like it changed to 1 round with 3v3 ruleset hence with 3v3 damp and other normal aspects of 3v3 like it should been in first place and how many people asked soloq for over 7 years now

i see the majority of healers show that they do not like the mode, hence why we have long ques

in the end it matters more on long run what healers think than what one ww who enjoys the mode thinks, sadly it doesnt matter if you as single dps player enjoy the mode when healers are what dictate the ques and they are showing that they do not like the mode so we need changes on it hence, im sorry but you dont matter

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i main aff since season 7 of wotlk
i’ve never backed off of it
whenever i que regular 3s whether it with lfg or with my main team(im a “casual glad exp” player) i want to kill myself becuase all i meet are augs/WWs/UDKs/warriors/MLx/shadowplays
usually after like 10 matches above 2.1 i really want to alt f4 out of the game
i would never play regular 3s with people being so meta slaved was it not for the glad mount
glad mount is the only thing that keeps me playing 3s eventually

whenever i que shuffle damp stacks up fast and i can actually kill people and punish them for making mistakes (not the same as regular 3s because i play aff(a spec with no burst cds))
that way even if i get a 0-6 lobby i know i will come back because i’ve lost lots of mmr and people there will die to me staring at them
thats fun for me - playing vs non-meta comps or at least with the fast stacking damp(that way i can kill meta slave-rerollers even as aff)
change my mind

was it not for shuffle i would only do the last week or two glad push and play mythic+ the rest of the season because cba playing vs rerollers all the time

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but no matter how much you enjoy shuffle as dps or not, you suffer +40min ques because healers dont enjoy it :man_shrugging:

so it would need changes which attracts healers more, i think it would been 1 round of normal 3v3 with normal rules on damp,drink,deaths

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I thought shuffle was going to be super fun and great when it was first announced. Then i saw the format of it and was turned off by it immedietly. Played it couple rounds on most of my characters and its pretty boring. Run in the middle, press all cooldowns. Who dies first? who knows, random crits decide or someone forgets they have defensive cooldowns or healer trinkets first CC out of stress and ends up in a 20 seconds CC chain and someone dies.

Nobody support eachother, everyone are out for themselves only. Constant fixation on rating going up rather than actually trying to play the game, so it turns out to be a poop slinging contest in chat. “This guy bad” “That guy bad” “Healer bad” “dps bad” bla bla bla.

i play with my friend for first time in my life rogue/mage in 2v2, and we are hardstuck 1700 because more often then not we screw up and cant kill anyone, laugh about it and carry on for an hour or two. guys, remember its a game and dont forget to have fun. We will never reach the rewards anyway so why even bother trying to push for them?

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or the other variant where everyone freak out and overlap 3 cds on 1 guy when the damage in game is such that things fly to the sea from hair in matter of seconds if so be

literally get thrown to sea from hair in 1 second

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They should give all rewards for all rated brackets, and not treat 3v3 special. Let’s see what game mode is most popular, and then we can talk about esports. (It’s probably gonna be soloqueue RBGs).

The single biggest thing to drive an esport is a big playerbase. Treating 3v3 special as an esport, even though nobody plays it, is a really really terrible decision

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emphasis on the competitive system or mmo in general needing big playerbase, cant but agree with that

also i could play 2s with you i just cant care of nothing than shuffle for the moment in retail on this season and expansion

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30 min(and it becomes faster the higher i get)
and while waiting i play private classic server lol
so its not like there is no other way but to stare at the que

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still i think its trash in retail :slight_smile:

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the que on privates for solo que was like 10-20 minutes for dpsers in my experience so i really don’t see why are there so many people crying about the q times lol

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wat? q for soloq on priva used to be 2-5min for dps