Regarding the warlocks which don’t use green fire / fel fire.
Where do they draw their powers to summon flames from? Is it the arcane? Is it fel still? Or is it maybe the elementals like shamans do?
On this subject as well; how do chaos bolts work? What’s the Chaos magic type made from?
Unless there’s a proper explanation somewhere, I’d assume that orc destro locks are more shamanistic in nature than human destro locks, who are more akin to mages.
If they never received any shaman/mage training, they probably adapt similar approach to that of their teacher.
Chaos Bolt is pure fel, I believe?
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So, should I assume that the red fire that comes from playing the warlock class is dependent on their race, but wielded more chaotically than the canonical type of using said magic?
For an example a nightborne using arcane more destructively and dabbling into fel / shadow magic (With the recent burning legion invasion being over with) being one that uses destruction warlock types of flames.
While an orc, or a darkspear troll would use it in a much more shamanistic way?
Well, after some minor research, World of Warcraft: Chronicle visualized most spheres of magic or something along the lines. As such, I will have to correct the previous post.
Burning Legion is pretty much created out of Fire and Fel. All three are aspects of general Disorder. As such, destruction warlocks seem to be the pure-breed Fire users. By dabbling in powers of Fire and Fel, they pretty much gain access to demonic forces.
Mages, on the other hand, use Arcane, a force of Order attributed to the Titans. All mages do it, whether it’s using raw Arcane or harnessing another sphere. Two most-practiced spheres on Azeroth are obviously Fire and Water, though this implies you could have Earth Mages or Air Mages.
To put it short, it seems I’ve guessed wrong.
Destruction warlocks use Fire in conjunction with Fel. It’s implied to be chaotic and probably more “directed” than strictly “controlled”.
Fire mages control Fire with Arcane. They can probably snipe an apple off your head with a fireball, where warlock would just incinerate the apple, you and your family.
Shamans… I don’t know. They invoke pure Fire?
Warlocks pre-Fel are either Mages or Shamans that have gotten curious about the power of Demons and Demonic magic. So those that don’t use Fel/Green fire are either using corrupted Arcane or Elemental magic.
Anywhere and everywhere they can, is the actually accurate & correct answer.
Kanrethad’s lips pursed for a moment, but he relaxed and continued. “No. The scope of this task exceeds the capabilities of any single member here. I propose this council split into pairs. Ritssyn and Zinnin would lead a group into Sulfuras. Similarly, Shinfel and Zelifrax would hunt down the remaining members of the Twilight’s Hammer cult and … persuade them to share what they learned.”
The pock-faced gnome applauded with mirthful glee.
Kanrethad continued, “Then we return… one year from now and take the results of our expeditions back to our own sects, more powerful than we would have been alone.”
Ritssyn frowned as he saw the greed drawn out in the human’s words dance across the council’s faces. “And what would keep us from simply killing our partner in their sleep once it was a success?”
Kanrethad’s brow furrowed and he growled, “Which is why we swear that if any member of this council breaks the contract and fails to return or returns alone, the others shall strike them down and banish their soul forever. We either succeed together or die alone.”
Fel is one the rarest sources of warlock power, outside of spectacular & amazing warlocks (despite what the recent abundance of the stuff in-game might have you believe). There have been multiple other sources citing ‘demonic fire’ that isn’t fel, and many other dark sorceries.
Warlocks are just that: dark casters, witches, summoners, and sorcerers using curses. It’s important not to confuse the warlock with a demon.
No clue where you actually got that one from.
In any case, spells like `https://wow.gamepedia.com/Hellfire´still have the visual of normal fire, but it’s quite evident that the caster actually draws the power from someone’s life force (in this case his own). It still seems to be a a form of chaos magic and not drawn from the ley lines / arcane in nature.
Also interesting: It’s unclear (at least I don’t have a source for it) what the state of warlocks is regarding arcane magic. There is a demon hunter (!) who says he can’t use arcane ever since he became a demon hunter due to the fel magic (chaos is the opposing force to arcane as depicted in the chronicles diagram) making it near impossible to use. Obivously, demon hunters are a special case. I don’t know to which this also extends to warlocks, though, or if it even does.
`https://wow.gamepedia.com/Jace_Darkweaver´
Wouldn’t rule out them -also- being able to use arcane spells, though.
I’m assuming Murkresh correctly refers to the original members of the Shadow Council, of which practices passed down to the current Horde’s orcish warlocks. Give me a minute and I can find a Chronicle quote.
I’m more referring to the latter sentence. I don’t doubt that shamans or mages can get “curious” about it and dwelve into it.
To call it corrupted Arcane or elemental magic is just plain wrong, though, since fel and demonic fire is [Chaos Magic] and not drawn from the elemental plane or from the ley lines or merely “corrupted”.
You can refer to the big text I cited, in that case. Warlocks of the Council of the Black Harvest researched & sought the power of Sulfuras.
The arcane part is, admittedly, outdated knowledge.
And here we see a very common issue with magic.
You can’t really explain magic, unless you’re willing to put some heavy shackles onto it.
Blizzard would rather keep their “can do everything” magic and as such, it’s a subject to retcons, shrugging, mutualy exclusive sources and misunderstandings.
This is true to some degree, but there are still clear boundaries and limits that the existing lore puts onto the various forms of magic. The problem I often see with your stance (or similar ones) is, that some take it as an excuse to just do whatever they want via magic without any consideration of what is actually possible/realistic/what the consequences may be, shooting way past any canon lore.
So, wait. Looking at that; does that mean that warlocks can gather their powers from whichever source possible, no matter what it is? (Referring to the more foul magics here)
Such as:
And indeed, Tharmoun’s right regarding magic explainations; they’re hard to pin down.
I made this post because I’ve got a nightborne warlock which I refuse to use fel fire on, and I’m not sure how I’d go on about the emoting process when using a spell such as Incinerate or Conflagrate IC without them being arcane spells or how I’d explain it in an emote. Because if I did emote the attempt of such a spell, I’d have to be vague about it, I feel. And other than that, I’d like to keep myself within the boundaries of what warlocks can do in the lore.
You’re all very helpful in these regards!
Void magic is the purest form of Shadow magic there is, while the Shadow Magic warlocks wield is a more ‘‘diluted’’ form. So ofc the nutjobs that are Twilights Hammer use it, since it comes from their very masters.
Yup I’d still classify them as different as they’ve been mentioned as void and shadow before (like the shadow priest specialization display window). Even if they come from the same source – and are practically the same bar the form in which they come out ; It’s just me naming them in different brackets for the sake of it ![:smiley:](https://d1bg94bbsh66ji.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/smiley.png?v=6" ":smiley:")
Well, Shadow priests pretty much only use Void magic, even if their spec is called Shadow.
Shadow = Void magic
Since chronicles, there really is no direct difference between the two. They’re used synonymously.
Well, as it stated in the chronicles; you’re right. x)
I stand corrected; I’ll edit my post
I apologise if I gave out mis/false information, I was going by what I knew from memory which apparently was incorrect.
I’ll do my homework next time, promise!
Well, Shadow magic don’t seem to be corruptive as pure Void magic, which is why I call ‘‘Shadow Magic’’ a diluted shape of Void.