The majority of the community is built up by small guilds and 10mans were perfect for all of them, it was relaxed, fun, easy to organise, the 3 day lockout gave everyone something to look forward to throughout the week, it made gearing alts more worth while,
10 mans also worked well for mega guilds with 3-5 teams raiding concurrently,
P3 brought 20man raids which has really stretched a lot of guilds, and the 7 day lockout did sound like an improvement but im finding myself becoming kinda bored,
i can see that you are asking the community for constructive opinions and suggestions which is fantanstic,
please consider going back to the 3 day 10man’s, SOD is a testing ground and that test was successful.
I truly believe by reverting the changes to raiding the community as a whole will have a more exciting and worth while phase 4 experience,
The devs have now trialled 7 day 20mans and it just doesn’t feel the same, its good that theyre trialling things though, but if unsuccessful things need to be reversed, and P3 raiding i feel hasn’t worked,
of course there will be a minority that wont like it because they want a challenge, but cata and retail can offer that, keep Sod simple and great to play,
yes, they were, to the majority of the community the 10man raids were better to organise, rosters were more flexible to fill, loot was easier to distribute, alts were having a better time to get geared,
less retail and more classic? in Sod? you say that while we have:
warlocks and rogues tanking
mages healing
shamans topping meters
epic crafts every phase
duel spec
incursions
the list goes on and on, so lets not get into that, that silly old argument went out the window during phase 1, ( metamorphisis has entered the room ),
try hards can still make it harder for themselves if they want a challenge, dont bring a feral, dont bring every wb and consume in the game, but they cant help themselves,
im talking for every guild that has either crashed or are struggling to fill a 20man roster, which is infact the majority,
the will of the many, out weighs the need of the few.
this is not classic, this is sod and p1 + p2 raiding worked far better than p3. and sod afterall is a testing ground.
10-mans were tutorials during early leveling phases. 20-mans are a perfect balance for actual raiding content. Not being able to optimize all the class buffs/debuffs is the biggest issue with 10-mans and as we reach our full toolkits near level 60, the main raiding content needs to accomodate that with at least 20-man raiding.
It’s normal for guilds to struggle with the change to 20 man raids.
It’s not like it wasn’t expected on a remake of wow classic though.
P3 doesn’t give that much imporvement in terms of gears compared to P2 so I reckon Blizzard plans is to allow guilds to merge and shape up for end-game in P4.
Give it a chance and you’ll see that after a few weeks we’ll all get used to it - roosters will be well defined - and we will be able to be more frivolous with our raid comps.
After suffering so much in P2 to access raid as a melee I’m kinda glad we get to 20 man so there’s room for everyone. And the fact that it’s a weekly lock-out means you can take your time clearing the raid in 2 different evening.
Some groups disband because the group leader is a greedy, degenerate PoS.
They disband the groups and then sell the ID to a solo farmer; because the dragonkin packs can be solo’d and the nightmare seeds are reasonably expensive.
Gotta be more specific. If you don’t know what is hard about a fight means you didn’t bother getting informed. If you want a dps dummy as a boss that’s fair.
That’s the problem, people not trying hard enough. Everybody starts a noob, we all had no clue. It’s fine to wipe. I have wiped thousands of times in wow. However the game needs the right level of challenge. Not too hard not too easy. And bosses can’t be faceroll.
For example eranikus hits me as tank for less than 1k and I have around 5k hp. That’s too low. Before the nerf he could trash me 3x 1700 hits and wipe me instantly. That’s too much. There has to be a balance between.
I understand not wanting to play a game that requires 10 hours/day to clear and endless grind for month on end like classic was.
But guys, you’re crying too hard. At what point are you gonna realise that WoW isn’t meant for you anymore ?
You cba to farm 30 min a day to get your consums for a raid, you cba to find 19 people to play with to clear the raid, finding a guild ? NO WAY ! Checking bosses’ strats before pulling a new raid on first week ? Nahhh, I just want to close my eyes and roll over it.
You guys aren’t even trying.
Just stop playing… Find another game, this is simply not for you at all. And if you still wanna play the game because you like it even though you don’t really like it, then deal with it. Make up your mind and focus on the aspects of the game you enjoy.
Get good at the game. You even played from 2019-2021, how is SoD even resembling in the slightest form of difficulty? The game is a joke already and you want it even easier than it is now? lmao
It has worked for many, including myself. 20 man feels so much better. You really think you will get 10man MC, BWL, AQ40 and Naxx? LMAO. Imagine knowing vanilla is actually 40man and is cutted to 20 and yet you’re still whining?
How?? There are so many people looking for raids in /world /lookingforgroup Just invite more people into the raid. The raid is super easy as it is
Back in 2019 - 2021 i played in a guild, so there were nothing hard then just blast.
Would be nice to avoid guilds and their politics & Drama for this version, so just nerf everything to be blastable by pugs without the need for “Progression” to have a more enjoyable experience.
Then I for sure wouldn’t be playing and people would get bored after 2-3 raids, even puggers when there is no effort put in to get loot. Seems like your’re done with WoW and need to quit and play some other game imo. You don’t really want to play
The only guild that are struggling are the ones where the “GM/Officers” are just people that wants to have their inner cicle to fill their lust for “leadership”.
My current guild had no issue upscaling from 10 to 20 and we cant finish clearing the raid that we are already 20 people signed up for next reset.
