If you really want to play this game.
- Combat resurrection
- Spammable heal that scales with strength
- Instant Cast, big heal with CD/resource cost
- 30% defensive that does not reduce damage output
If you really want to play this game.
We had Divine Intervention worked as a wipe recovery.
Different stat system.
Reminder Int did almost zero scaling of abilities in vanilla you had spell damage and spell healing for that.
Lay on Hands was around.
Divine Protection has had its cooldown reduced to 1 minute, mitigation reduced to 20%, and no longer causes Forbearance. Now learned at level 30 (was 6). this is Cata.
(2004-07-07): Divine Favor renamed to Divine Protection. patch 0.8 before the release of the game.
Correction, you had a class flavour ability that could be used to recover one wipe a day, slightly faster than running back.
That doesnāt qualify as utility.
Also, didnāt address the actual argument, so still right.
So⦠I am still right? Okay then.
I was talking about Word of Glory.
So, still right.
I do hope you know that Cata isnāt Vanilla. Maybe you donāt. But you do now.
Overall,still right 4 out of 4. Damn, itās good to be always right.
As the only class in the game with this.
Druid had to use an actual item in their bags to do it.
mages did not have bloodlust infact the entire alliance playerbase did not have bloodlust.
And horde did not have paladins.
No you are not because you fundamentally do not understand how massively different that is.
That was NOT what you did mean here stop the lies.
100% of this also apply to Lay on hands.
Word of Glory right now does not qualify as it is not a big heal so that is disqualified from counting.
You just ignored the very next line where the ability came into the game before vanilla was released but sure if you are going to be acting like a child that is fine.
You are wrong 4 out of 4 if you want to act like a child that is up to you.
But if you really do want to know what spec/class is blizzards favorites you do not need to go far just go look mage.
99% chance to be above average good over the last 15 years in raid.
Is strong enough to Meta in M+ in almost all seasons it has existed the seasons without mage is easier to count then the ones with mage.
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Completely irrelevant. Thank you for these anyway.
Whaā¦? You donāt seem to understand the difference between a combat resurrection and Divine Intervention. Dude, sit the fish down.
If you knew how to read, you would now that the context was Vanilla utility vs Now.
Now, did we have Lay on Hands in Vanilla? Of course we did. Then why would talk about that, you genius?
And WoG is practically the biggest instant cast short CD heal there is, right after Enha Surge with Maelstrom stacks.
You just ignored the very next line where the ability came into the game before vanilla was released but sure if you are going to be acting like a child that is fine.
I didnāt ignore anything. You ignored the part where I said that it didnāt reduce damage out put. You couldnāt do any damage while Divine Protection was active in Vanilla.
But if you really do want to know what spec/class is blizzards favorites you do not need to go far just go look mage.
Indeed Mage is another Blizzard favourite. Too bad it cannot heal or tank so it is barren from 30-40% of the available PvE group slots.
Combat resurrection
Oooh the first (and only) real legit answer⦠Would be nice if we didnt get it so freaking LATE!
When did DKs get their combat ress? Clearly a class known for their healing capabilities. Yes i know it was originally a ghoul they rised when a player fell that the player later controlled. Still didnt make sense that they were one of the first classes to get a battle ress besides the original class that could!
DKs got it in Cata 2011-04-26⦠14 freaking YEARS ago!
Paladins got it in DF 2022-10-25 11 YEARS later and unlike DKs⦠its a 2 sec cast so not really suitable for RETS to use if any other combat ressers are in the raid, Holy palas included.
Spammable heal that scales with strength
As Ayellin said, different stat system. Could still spam heals
Instant Cast, big heal with CD/resource cost
Sure, count instant cast heals as utility and not game evolving with time. Like raiding mages still spam casts frostbolts. I just count it as being able to heal. The utility didnt change, gameplay just got faster.
30% defensive that does not reduce damage output
⦠Is this sacrifice? Yhea had it since vanilla.
As i said, you got a half point for the 1 legit ability we got. But reduction for its actual usefullness for a RET paladin.
Oh does THIS alone show I know nothing about WoW?
Christ ur thick
you got a half point for the 1 legit ability we got.
Getting Combat Ress is half an ability? Okay, Buster.
As Ayellin said, different stat system. Could still spam heals
Heals that heal for nothing and drain your mana so you cannot do you specās spells mean = You cannot heal in combat and in endgame.
Being able to heal is a utility that Retribution and Protection did not have in Vanilla.
Sure, count instant cast heals as utility
Well, I am. Can DK do it? Warriors? Hunyers, DHs, Rogues, Mages maybe? Right, they canāt. Just half the classes. Warlock is debatable too, but at least they have candy.
⦠Is this sacrifice? Yhea had it since vanilla.
Divine Protection.
That makes it still 4 utility/defensive that Paladin did not have in Vanilla, but it has now.
Getting Combat Ress is half an ability? Okay, Buster.
Yes, for its usefullness as a Ret. Why is it a 2 sec cast? Why couldnt it be instnant with 5 Holy power?
Heals that heal for nothing and drain your mana so you cannot do you specās spells mean = You cannot heal in combat and in endgame.
I mainly just casual pvp, the heals there are 850k with a healthpool of 12 mil, it IS nothing! I can cast 10 of them and im oom (and this holds true in pve aswell), having to get out of combat and actually drink to get that mana back (this is part is very much like vanilla). I can use LESS heals now then back in vanilla. I cant even Top myself after combat and back then i could, i could even top others aswell without drinking!
Well, I am. Can DK do it? Warriors? Hunyers, DHs, Rogues, Mages maybe? Right, they canāt. Just half the classes. Warlock is debatable too, but at least they have candy.
Yes they can⦠IF YOU are gonna count self buffs as āutilityā i sure as hell am gonna count their selfheals as instant heals!
Divine Protection.
Not utility, just a self protection buff. Most classes have them and most dont cost them DPS either so no idea what your point was on that one.
Why did you count DP and not Sheild of Vengance? Oh and its 20%, not 30%
Or you meant other classes mini bubbles like iceblock, hunter turtle or shadowpriest mistform? Lets not forget both mages and priests have sheilds on 20 sec CD.
Then comes also this part that i brought up
Yes they can⦠IF YOU are gonna count self buffs as āutilityā i sure as hell am gonna count their selfheals as instant heals!
Also this⦠Ret healing as utility is extreamly redundant when every other class have several selfheals themselfs and things like iceblock etc
First its up to other dps to take care of themselfs to not stand in stuff and react accordingly
Then its the healers job to take up the slack
So several things must go wrong for a Ret heals to be needed in the first place.
I play retribution paladin, because iām a christian. DEUS VULT
There is a big dofference between Divine protection and hunters turtle immo.
He counted Divine protection as a āutilityā spell⦠Ill remind you what it does.
āReduces all damage YOU take by 20% for 8 sec. Usuable while stunnedā
Paladins cant cast it on others. Its a self protection spell only and therefore does not count as a utility spell.
If it is counted as an utility spell then so should abilities i listed also count as such.
Note that i also counted the spells i listed of as āmini bubblesā aka LESSER versions as bubble. Oh and āBubbleā is what most call Divine sheild, if you got that name confused with Divine protection. Also not a utility spell, no matter how it can be abused as such in a niche encounter every now and then.
funny thing is blizzard added alot of boss/dung spell that just go through bubble or a dot that applied . so not even that strong anymore
Wich spell goess through bubble? Ow right there is not one.
What
Ret is the Blizzard favourite
His PvP toolkit is insane
His ability for being a health range Specc where you can do your rotation without downside (only one is autohits) is insane itās busted since they cut all melee range from other speccs
Bubble and burst without downside is a broken game mechanic
Ret missing ms is the only real downside that Holt it a bit back
No idea why you reply to someone speaking about PvE thinking arguments for PvP is a good rebuttal.
Bubble and burst without downside is a broken game mechanic
Downside is that its our main defence and a dispellable one, and thats NOT the only counter.
Rogues can just stealth out the duration, warriors can shatter or leap out of range, others can use minibubbles during the duration then the offence part of bubble is made mute. Every single class has counter/S for bubble.
In pvp both Flash and WoG heals for 8-10% at best of our total health and a Ret can never top themselfs from 10-100 without going oom as we can only use 8 casts to get there.
Ret will remain to be the class with the lowest ammont of hard and soft CC while at the same time being susceptible to all forms of CC like dissarm, blanket silence and a simple pushback.
Paladins with the āstrongest stunā (melee range) therefore it should be one of the very few stuns in game that is dispellable⦠yet in pvp its duration is nerfed by 33%, oh and same with blinding light (also mainly melee range). So we have the weaker stun AND weaker fear in every single scenario compared to a warrior while they can have more stuns and most often in expansions on shorter CD. Then lets not forget that the stun is reflectable and many classes have magic immunity abilities and so on.
Ret is very good but yeah because of his CC and lack of MS it forced in a comp where other speccs can compensate his weak points
Spamable rependence is good enough and if people let you stun the heal nobady can dispell it but I see your point other can cc way better
I think so far Ret will have a S tier comp letās see
Sure, Ret is strong when the dmg is high but thats as far as it goes. Its never a skillfull spec, never seen clips or a player that impressed me. All of the clips of a ret paladin is high dmg burst clips and good use of engineering witch does not count as a Rets toolkit.
Over the last couple of expansions we have gone from a 2 CD min burst spec, 1 min, down to a 30 sec CD burst spec with the lowering the deff CDs aswell as the debuff they brought, thats about it.
The dmg we do has been shuffled around from a builder spender spec to getting a secondary builder spender within our spec, its just weird design. Simple but weird.
The spec tree is still barren on talents, many of them giving the same thing but dont stack. Other classes gets as baseline but we get as a talent point. Class flavor talents like Turn evil and worst of all, auras that ALL 3 specs get⦠why are they even in the tree if everyone gets them? Its to create the illusion of something when there is nothing!