Hello ,I m new here ,at least on DF ,not as a wow player.Came back after 12 years ,Lk era ,and was so eager to start healing again with a druid. My first dungeon was Neltharius hc and to my suprise ,all bosses and trash mobs dont do dmg ,like at all lolz ,the only dmg my team was getting was from the aoe fire not from the npcs themselves ,is it meant to be like this? I used to play ESO and even there mobs were hitting a little bit harder ,that s why I left that game ,was too easy and no brains at all ,was a game made for bots like lolz.
So was this meant to be like this ? And why ? It s stupid and easy ,you dont even need a healer for this ,and I bet u can skip the tank also in most cases lolz. I enjoy doing mostly 5 dungeon ppl ,but not anymore ,this new state of hc dungeons is a bad joke
Difficulty, item level and player skill play a big role here. Also there are some dungeon issues after a recent patch so it’s quite possible something might be wrong. But dungeons below semi-high mythic+ dungeons aren’t super threathening indeed
There has been quite a bit of evolution of dungeons since Wotlk. The newest hardest form of dungeon content is the mythic+ system.
Heroics are not meant to be hard, I’d even argue they’ve become obsolete. They’re not needed for your power progression, you hit 70, buy crafted greens from AH, do couple world events and go straight to mythic+.
But yeah, anything below M+15 is not threatening unless you have absolutely no idea how anything works.
Hmmm, hope they will fix things ,esp with the raids ,I m not into M+s very much ,I hate timers and stuff like that, I would feel like at school giving an exam lolz. What if you go naked inside ,in hcs? Maybe content becomes harder ?:)))
You can definitely be nude in a hc, I’m just not sure others would appreciate it.
I meant with no gear on you 
Would take it off after I get inside haha
We outgear Heroic dungeons considerably at this stage in the expansion.
Something must be done about it ,I mean seriously ,only M+s has wow to offer regarding harder content ?And why is that harder? because they added a freakin timer to it ?:))) what if M+ses wouldn t have a timer ? Is this how casual wow became ? 
As others have pointed out, if you want a challenge, M+ is available. Something as trivial as a random heroic isn’t going to be challenging, especially this late on in the expansion.
I see ,thanks for the replays, I hope the next expansion will be better regarding dungeons ,raids ,etc. Maybe they go back to how it was before ,much harder content ,no healers dps (which is obvious why lolz) and bye bye M+s which are trash if u ask me and only creates negativity in the groups
Wrath dungeons were very easy when we out geared them too.
DF dungeons were a lot harder when we were all fresh dinged 70s and couldn’t even queue up because we didn’t meet the ilvl requirements, and had to walk in manually in formed groups. Then you’d get enough gear to try M0.
However with catch up gear, new content, more raids etc that isn’t going to feel the same as it did when the expansion is new. It’s not like there isn’t challenging content available. Like for those that find Normal raiding too easy, they can go Heroic, those that find Heroic too easy can venture into Mythic. Same with dungeons. Heroic is just a low difficulty.
In Wrath ya ,after u were max ilvl content was easier but still ,much harder than what it is now not to mention the 10 and 25 ppl raids. Is there any other dungeon hard enough which is not with a freakin timer ? Like for ex in LK u had ICC ,the hardest content ,then it was Arena champions which in hc was pretty hard and the hardest was Ruby Sanctum ,another 10,25 m content ,so I m asking ,in this DF is there any other 10,20 ppl raid hard enough which is not a M+?
Wrath also had catch up gear, if you started around ICC patch it regular heroics were a walk in the park. We’ve been outgearing content as long as I can remember playing tbh. Catch up means it’s better for late starters or rerolling main, running an alt etc.
It’s been funny going back to Wrath because the raids are very easy compared to what we’re used to in Retail. The game has definitely evolved. People clear
very easily on raid launch on classic.
There is more choice of content now than back then as well. Don’t let the timer bother you in M+, initially it’s not an issue until you start reaching your personal limit. It’s just finding it. The affixes also add extra challenge/difficulty as well as the scaling mob health damage with level. You don’t have to venture into high keys if you don’t want to.
I don’t play heroic outside of expansion start myself. Even when I had to farm my Breath of Ohn’ara from Nokhud Offensive, I would queue for Hc and Nm and most of the time it’s Nm that procs.
If the pugging aspect of M plus is a concern there are communities that are stress free and bad behaviour isn’t tolerated. Scared of Dungeons and Dungeon Dojo both have excellent reputations.
They’re the highest difficulty dungeon for people who suffer from group finder anxiety and prefer to be put in a random group than apply/form group. I’d argue m0 is the obsolete difficulty since m+ exists.
Are these the same people who get covered in cold sweat every time they have to make a phone call?
Hmmm, than I will try some m+, if the timer for lower keys is not a problem ,with the rest I can handle ,used to be hard core player on Lk I like hard content and challenges ,that s why I came here from Elder scrolls online,maybe will start to even like the timer 
thingie hehe
Maybe playing some of the classic versions will suit you better? 
There is also scaling in m+… iirc at +25 its +650ish% more dmg and hp on everything… plus the usual affixes
The timer is close to a non issue until 20+ keys… as long as you dont afk mid dungeon to wait on CDs ect.
Have a go at mythic raid. That is objectivly harder than anything they had in wrath 
and no timer there. Well… except some enrage timers on some bosses
Was thinking about it actualy, but I ll have a few runs in Ms ro see how it is ,if it s harder than Lk than it s good ,if it s less ,not good haha
Kinda hard to compare todays dungeons with how it was back in the day. Id argue that dungeons back then had alot less mechanics to worry about then today, but we also had less knowledge and less tools to work with. I dont remember wotlk heroics as being very hard, but i could be remembering wrong. Not sure i’ve done any heroic dungeons in DF, probably jumped straight into m+.