After all the time and energy I invested in my character to farm gear up, learning the game, getting high rating, unlocking upgrades, farming honor to upgrade the gear, getting the best enchants and sockets, it feels still weak if not weaker than at the beggining of the expansion (in all kinds of pvp).
It doesn’t feel like a time invested character. It feels like its a fresh lvl 70 character with starting gear. So i stopped pvping. And it seems like lots of guys ingame feel the same. Queues being ultra long.
Guess the shadowlands gearing pvp system was better. (except the legendaries)
P.S. how would you pve guys feel if they gave everyone a starting pve gear that scale up to 424ilvl whenever in pve and can be fully farmed in 1 day. And all the pve upgrades you can do by doing high end hard content will only be meaningless because it will be under the 424 ilvl. Would you like that? Cuz you know, its only fair for everyone to have the same gear power… right? equality for everyone boyz. Not just in pvp.
huge majority of the playerbase, myself included hated the statstick legendaries and honor upgrades from SL. It was truly a terrible experience for anyone with a job n social life. Outside of the current ret pandemic i think DF has had fantastic PvP. The gearing especially is the best its ever been in WoW history.
true. I hated that also. But the rest of the gearing was alright. I didnt minded to farm hard honor for a piece of gear. Because that piece of gear at least it mattered. I could feel the gear progressing and my character getting stronger and stronger.
But to what end? destroying late arrivals and alts by sheer stats? thats PvP when its at its worst. Infact i even think blizz should substantially buff the methods of aquiring conquest that isnt tied to arena. Stop with the whole “daily BG win bonus” garbage, its not a mobile game. Make BG´s a solid way of farming conquest.
Taking on the role of a victim trashmob so people in max gear using saltwater potions and berserk buff can do happy numbers with their full premade n feel superior is not good gameplay for anyone n just leads to people afking in content that could otherwise have been quite enjoyable. The whole “its an mmorpg, if 95% of the content isnt a miserable grind its not a real mmorpg!” argument needs to be removed entirely if the game is to survive. The genre isnt exactly gaining popularity.
not really. Most of pvpers dont want that. Only crybabies. Sure, we want the gear gap to be less from starting gear to high rating gear. But not nonexistent. Its pretty dull what they did in DF. Not sure why they did that and who asked for it. Except, snowflakes that are to sensitive to be beaten by a higher gear player.
Having been around since vanilla i know what to expect with the game so im doing whatever grind is required if i want to play, then again i´ve also taken breaks from the game thats lasted many, many years at a time.
If i came in brand new to WoW today, experiencing it as a first time player i´d demand a refund n write the most aggressive review about “predatory devs taking advantage of my time with repetitive garbage”
DF is 100% moving in the right direction with the addition of solo shuffle and fast gearing. Tailoring the gaming experience to the part of the community that has been unemployed for 18 years straight and doesnt like change is simply not a good buisness model since it makes up such a small minority. The WoW playerbase is ageing and its not attracting particularly many new players, hence the game needs to adapt to the fact that its target audience has full time jobs n families.
With less sparetime on our hands comes higher demands on quality that we choose to spend our sparetime on. Getting farmed by a mega geared premade in a BG for two weeks isnt exactly quality time.
I do think there should be things to chase after for the players that wants to spend more time on the game, I´ve spent alot of time on the game myself in DF but those things should not be stat advantages in PvP. Make it cosmetic rewards or some cringey title like “epic dark lord of supreme awesome mega PvPer” that requires 8 million killing blows or some crap like that. The people with that amont of sparetime are the exact people who would actually use a title like that. The title would go amazingly well with their engineering goggles.
People had jobs back in the day as well. Wow dont need to adapt.
Btw, cool short story. In shadowlands i tried to introduce my nephew (15years old) to the game. He hated it. Later on when classic popped up, tried again, and he loved it. So no, not even new young players like modern wow direction. Also, leveling now in retail, is cringe and boring.
I never bothered trying classic myself since i already played vanilla n really prefer alot of the features added in modern wow ( transmogs in cata being my all time favorite )
While wotlk is the expansion i remember the most fondly i also truly enjoyed Legion although i was late to the party n dident start playing again till the patch prior to argus release.
Shadowlands is by far my least favorite expansion where i quite literarelly dident like anything at all. I hated the storytelling, the questing with the endless “fly to oribos 18 times to talk to someone!” n the covenants felt terrible with all that borrowed power n “Arthas magical statstick of epic and highly mandatory, you better buy a wow token to afford if you actually want to play” legendaries.
I do remember vanilla quite fondly aswell although i was a mega casual back then n even remember using a baby blue cloth hood on my rogue because “it looked cool” i also kept using cruel barb from deadmines way beyond its recommended level because once again, it looked cool. needless to say leveling became a struggle!
There are alot of games on the market now a days on the other hand so the competition is huge and if people arent impressed quite early into trying a new game they just give up on it and WoW has done nothing to make the game more appealing to new players.
The people that dont want the skill to matter only in arena are the ones that dont want to improve(but meanwhile want to win against newcommers,just because of gear disparity).I got a feeling you are one of them.
I have a feeling you’re a sensitive snowflake. I managed to get duelist in DF, with gear being worthless and B class. So no, im not one of these guys you’re trying to make me look like. But I also dont mind when a higher gear players beat me. Its part of the fun and makes me just wanna get stronger.
Majority of the PvP community want only skill to matter in PvP. Your Duelist is from Rated Solo Shuffle(1300 in normal 3s bracket).
DF have the best gearing system ever implemented in WoW.
alts are the same… but yeah, thats a factor as well
actually, its vice versa right now. Solo shuffle is were the rating matter the most. at 3v3 you can easily be carried by good partners. In solo, only your skill matters. Also, its way harder to climb in solo, especially now, with longs queues.
And no, only the snowflakes pvp community preffer what you’re saying. Gear should matter because its a mmorpg game, and not a moba.
RSS is most popular bracker(simply because its easiest to access).Its way easier to climb in solo shuffle than any other bracket(as dps you can easily carry or lose rounds).
Your last sentacy makes you look delusional and actually show that you are the snowflake that need gear to one-two shot newcommers/low geared players.
PS: Classic era/WotlK Classic realms are ----> way.You will grind your gear there and after be happy about killing low geared players.
you just mad cuz you can’t climb in solo shuffle, so you get carried at 3v3 instead. Aight, i get it. But that was not the point of this post. I proved already that i dont need gear to win.
And i already said that the differences between starting gear and high rating gear should be very minimal. Its not like 5-10 % gear power will make the game unfair for guys with the lower gear. But it should still exist because it will make the pvp game feel more interesting. Its part of the mmorpg experience.
I´ve got great news for you. You can enable this all by yourself. Replace all your conquest gear with honor gear, you´re only allowed to equip conquest gear once you reach 2400 rating since you said you want to play against better geared players while having no interest in fighting worse geared players as a full geared. This way your desire can become a reality without affecting everyone else who doesnt want this.