I simply can’t understand how they said they dont see a problem with havoc damage. It’s absolutely depressing. How are we supposed to believe that we won’t be completely undertuned in dragonflight too when it’s like we are yelling at a wall? (before anybody mentions that we now have scaling in dragonflight, let’s not forget how massively undertuned we were when CN dropped in season 1)
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Yeah, havoc is bad right now, but they’re busy working on what’s important - talent trees for DF. I’d much rather focus on that than worry about spec balance in a ‘filler’ season that isn’t going to last long.
That’s all great, but players are still playing this exp and not df which is coming in a few months. The situation is the same in pvp, total absence of any balancing, some classes/specs have been broken for 5 months and some more or less even since the beginning of the exp, so we should say it doesn’t matter, let’s play this garbage for a few more months because df will (maybe) be great. The fact that they are focused on df is great, but that doesn’t mean they should completely forget about this season. I’m currently playing this exp and this season and not df.
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So am I, and I’m performing well enough in HC raid and mythic plus. I’m not getting kicked for ‘poor performance’ or not getting invites because ‘havoc bad’. I’m not saying it’s as it should be because it isn’t, but it isn’t causing problems, so I would still much rather the devs focus on important things like making havoc into something that’s actually fun to play in DF.
You’re doing the lowest level content so of course there aren’t problems for YOU. But as you go higher up it is utterly depressing, our damage is not on par. And you say this is a filler season, we have been begging for help for so long. Also bear in mind if the tuning was right and we could actually press blade dance, we would’ve been more than happy in shadowlands. This is why I have 0 faith for dragonflight, great talents buuuuut they all do 0 dmg
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Of course I am. LFR and M0. Try not to be patronising. You only make yourself look like an ignorant fool.
And DH has had very little to complain about throughout the last couple of seasons, aside from being forced into one specific build that gives you RSI from spamming 2 buttons continuously. I opted to play something else instead of tolerate that rubbish, which is why I currently main feral druid. Now you probably understand why, when you complain about havoc being neglected and trashed, I can’t bring myself to do anything but laugh at you.
If you actually want to play dh, i’d just stop playing. Time investment to enjoyment isn’t worth it if you plan to tryhard. I’d strongly encourage people with similar problems on other classes to just do the same, nothing draws their attention to the pathetic state of the status quo that’s been going on for 8 months.
In fact people have been screaming since the start of the expansion, countless hours on their part to provide feedback that’s been treated like a fart in the wind.
It’s like they have a plan that’s set in stone which is as we can see moronic.
And this is for the top or 2nd best mmo. It’s so absurd i can’t comprehend what’s happening, so **** it.
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Game is still in Alpha and the talent tree was just released so people are able to test it out.
Having concerns is good but much can and will still happen and hopefully it will launch with all classes in a good place. I’ve seen pretty bad specs that didnt get much love some even got nerfs during alpha/beta and still going in Tier S/A in the first raid of the expansion.
Lowest level of content. When her profile says shes doing +18s and heroic raids?? Um? Wut?.
Thats certainly not the lowest level of content.
Illidari will again get short end of the stick 
But cheer up! I main ret for almost 14 years, many call me crazy haha.
Some people play for class fantasy, I know i’d just protest havoc until they do fix it than give up on being a melee demon. It’s just a game at the end of the day
if people enjoy it, more power to them.
i couldn’t, so i stopped 
You can time 18s with 1 less dps and hc raids so of course low lvl content they would not even understand how bad a state havoc is in. Anyway after playing dh since release, I’ve finally rerolled and now I am at peace. I should have quit shadowlands dh in season 1
It’s actually a joke right now. I am a returning player from BFA, and imo Blizzard have ruined the class in Shadowlands.
The borrowed powers and legendries have made the game extremely awkward to play. I can only imagine that their intention was to increase the skill gap, however all they’ve done is remove the fun which I imagine has driven a lot of players away.
What’s worse is there is no real choice when it comes to choosing covenants. Night fae is imo the most fun of the covenants to play however it is so poorly balanced on damage output that you are forced to play Venthyr if you want to try to push endgame content, which you can’t, unless you have friends that are prepared to carry your low dps. And in reality if you wanted to start actually pushing to higher keys 20+ they may ask you to play another class… e.g. see JustRuss as an example (now playing a warlock).
On top of this, they have ruined the DH rotation by forcing everyone to play cycle of hatred to max their dps output. Blade dance needs to be in the rotation however at the moment it’s a dps loss.
Another issue I see is the reliance on very specific items like the cache of acquired treasures trinket to deal aoe damage in mythic plus. A lot of players are heavily relying on this trinket which drops from raid content I might add. Blizzard shouldn’t think that havoc is fine because of trinkets such as this. Nerf the trinket. Buff havoc’s baseline damage please. If I’m 295 ilevel I shouldn’t be losing out on this much damage in m+ just because I don’t have some very specific raid drop.
My suggestions for fixing this:
- Buff blade dance so it’s never a dps loss to use it. This will help our aoe as well which is sadly missing in mythic plus currently.
- Uncap eye beam at least to 5 or 8 targets, right now it’s a joke.
- Buff trial of ruin slightly.
- Buff Night Fae so it’s more competitive with Venthyr.
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Our Dragonflight build looks pretty good.
And it should be good because it’s the first time we get actual talents.
I hate that DH only has two Speccs. Most other DPS can just change to another specc if one gets messed up for a patch or two.
Hmm, What do you do when to many players play a certain class? Yeah , you Nerf it to the ground so they change and play something else and by that you get some kind of balance between classes. Look , for example , at boomkins in season 1 was super strong and we had a big rise in boomkin players. Blizzard said among themselves previously that they are not bad at numbers or balancing , but if they feel that they don’t want you to play a certain spec they make sure It will under perform. Thinking of the famous demonology talk a few years back. But the blue post is kinda funny when reading of the reason of why we did not get any changes to Havoc this season.
“We don’t think this point of the expansion is the appropriate time to disrupt players that have made significant investment into playing Havoc this way.”
I so wonder who these Havoc players are? So far I have not talked to any other DH player and heard them , saying they trained hard to be able to play the sinful brand/Venthyr playstyle and not wanting any changes.
There was one who posted here a while back lamenting that sinful brand wasn’t going to be in DF. Just one.
I’m not one for meta , i really enjoyed dh “kit” but will change it in df , the dmg is wth … disgusting .
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