Any ‘‘pro’’ who says Havoc is mid difficulty wise is clowning. We’re the only class that needs to move while DPSing. Meanwhile everyone else is just hitting the training dummy.
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Am I? I rechecked it, cuz it’s been over a year.
Shadow, affli, ele, arcane, sv, enhancer and unholy are at the same difficulty level or more difficult than havoc.
With the simplification of inertia the skill requirement drops significantly. Fel blade replaces fel rush in single target situations and inertia only gets triggered by the hunt or retreat (iirc).
Please, when it comes to havoc I know my stuff. I am more than happy to provide my character so you can check for yourself.
The simplification of inertia which happened after… years of it/momentum existing?
With the simplification of inertia the skill requirement drops significantly
Not that much. You still have sequences of abilities you need to press in the correct order. Use Essence Break before, say, Eye Beam and you’re screwed.
We are talking about the present, not the past. Yes, back in the day of momentum havoc used to be a really punishing spec. I played that version in mythic SoD and m+.
Ok, but what is that argument? Every single spec has a certain sequence of abilities to play optimally. Ask arcane mages, sub rogues and unholy dks. Literally the same.
You’re talking about the future, actually, since the patch isn’t out.
I somehow have a feeling the DPS you lose by messing up the order is way higher on Havoc than other specs considering you line up multiple buffs in a sequence.
11.1 some buffs ?
More like a huge nerf…if that was even possible…
I heard they are taking, Any means necessary away…huge nerf.
Already enjoying Vengeance in S1 
And you will probably enjoy Vengeance in S2 also…cause Havoc seems worse than in S1…
I don’t understand why are they set on killing the only Dps spec we have.
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I didn’t check the vengeance tier bonus yet, but after I did, it looked nice on paper at least.
I never played havoc, but I hope things will improve for it.
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I played Vengeance like once or twice but I hope the tier set will be good for you.
As for havoc unless they either make some actually good changes or go back to its old self it will be a pain.
Thank you though.
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Havoc devs have been atrocious since DF S3, I don’t know how there haven’t been layoffs yet. Imagine being bad at your job for YEARS.
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I sometimes wonder if there are actually any devs working on Havoc…
Cause even if we look at the last changes…they gut it by taking AMN away,killing Fell-Scarred and then just threw some 5% here and 1% there and called it a rework…
Its nowhere near a rework or even half rework.
And whatever it is,it’s not even finished either.
Other classes get walls of changes,we get nothing.
Havoc OP af and ppl still complain when some specs didn’t even had a line of buffs or changes for 11.1
Havoc OP?In which universe?
Its seriously underperforming and will still be in 11.1.
keep sandbagging until the nerf hammer drops
We have already been nerfed…What is wrong with you?
Just saw a vid from Marcelian Online, he’s planning on playing it. I don’t play the spec, is it still that bad in PTR?