There is it. We so back!
ht tps://youtu.be/zygztSyEpG4?si=I-7-5QvuYvDgtWdx
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Omg, half a year passed and at least they realised that +10% damage on felblade 10 times in a row is not gonna help.
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So will Havoc end up being fun to play in 11.1.0?
I mained Havoc back in BfA and liked the easy rotation, and hate the really complicated rotation that the spec currently has. It sounds like the 11.1.0 talent changes will make Havoc easier to play again. 
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How it will become easier? There is some quality of life changes, but rotations stays the same.
Inertia no longer requires Fel Rush. You can use Felblade. Which means you can get it without moving. Having to Fel Rush made the class harder by sheer virtue of putting you in potential danger from Fel Rushing.
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not only fel rushing made it bad but the short big dmg window makes it garbage to play. unfortunately that stays.
dh was fun before with a long dmg buff from meta and big consistent dmg and then followed bt short demonic windows to burst.
now it just feels like trash
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They are adding an Eye Beam talent that will make it a 20 second cooldown during a boss fight.
I donât mind the Demonic > Inertia > Essence Break damage windows, though they should feel more rewarding. Itâs obviously a higher skill requirement than most DPS classes to execute the rotation properly, so DH should be a top DPS to represent that.
it will be back when they make [Shattered Souls] give damage buff regardless of the soul type. even the description is an insult⌠THERE IS NO DEMONS SINCE LEGION!!
Balancing around spec difficulty has never worked out. And dh would be still mid.
What do you base this on? A class that is harder to play should do more damage. Itâs basic game design. High risk high reward.
Its literally NOT basic game design in a PvE based MMORPG. Guess which specs will be viable at mythic raiding and high keys? mage, prot pally, vdh, disc priest, outlaw and feral. If difficulty is the only metric for balance changes, your beloved havoc would be mid at best, coming from someone who played a more difficult version of havoc.
a higher difficulty curve does NOT equal high risk high reward. this isnt league of legends.
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Huh? What class has a more complex rotation than Havoc? What class has to use mobility to do mediocre damage?
a higher difficulty curve does NOT equal high risk high reward. this isnt league of legends.
It should. In league, too.
Which rotation is more complex than havoc?
Feral, outlaw, enhance, affli, fire mage, prot pally, brew, disc priest, unholy dk, probably some more. Havoc is not difficult. And the community agrees on that. Itâs not a 3 button spec anymore, but come on. Itâs not s2 shadowlands momentum dh. Itâs a solid middle difficulty. Not too difficult but not too easy.
Do you just want a reason for havoc to be meta? If so, just say it. I gave you an example what will happen once blizzard decides to balance around spec difficulty. 90% of specs would simply not be viable, havoc included.
I donât know for how long u play DH but rotation is one of the easiest in the game⌠the only hard thing about dh ( if we talk pvp arena for example ) is u play it kinda like a rogue where u have to use ur cc very well to kick, stun, fear etc the healer at the right time but you have insane mobility at ur side so⌠It is not as easy like brain dead warrior playstyle but rotation? dead easyâŚ
Feral has half the buttons the DH opener has.
You two have no idea what youâre talking about.
And the community agrees on that
ââThe communityââ is dumb then ( the average player is terrible at the game, anyway ). Itâs a simple question of numbers. DH requires a sequence of some 20 buttons or you lose a big chunk of your DPS. Other classes have a far smaller sequence of spells, which means their rotation is easier.
And thatâs ignoring that DH is sacrificing mobility to do damage.
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The fact that Feral needs WAs to track snapshot windows already beats Havoc. I meanâŚi know what Iâm talking aboutâŚi mained Havoc from Shadowlands to TWW doing high m+ and mythic raids. The only time Havoc was remotely difficult was during SoD when the Momentum build was meta.
Okay, so people disagree with your take and you go out of your way to insult them. Homie, every Pro agrees that Havoc is mid in terms of difficulty. Are they dumb too?
Why are you so offended when someone calls your spec âeasyâ or ânot difficultâ? WW is not difficult too and i couldnt give a F. You reach for a sorry argument to force the devs to buff a spec for all the wrong reasons. Does Havoc need help? YES. No doubt about it. Should difficulty be the only metric (when Havoc isnt even top 10 most difficult specs in WoW)? No, that is poor game design.
Source? I find this hard to believe. Ask those pros to watch this.
`https://youtu.be/tl9nnG6aKd8?si=5Eo1Kj7Ld2AOcI49
Take a look at what a world class Havoc looks like. There ainât no way any other spec moves that much, and when you have to also dodge BS while moving the difficulty spikes upwards. Sure you could stay in one place like literally EVERY OTHER SPEC but then you lose a ton of your DPS.
Good thing I didnât say that.
A mechanic from 2009 is considered difficult? Snapshotting has been in the game longer than most WoW players have played WoW.
Havoc holds cooldowns too, you donât Meta when you have 5 seconds left on Eye Beam.
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Ok Iâm not gonna comment on PVE as Iâm a PVP player and many pro players said havoc rotation is very easy⌠there are few hard things you need to learn and do properly but overall this is a very beginner friendly class to start and this was said many times. Anyway, the fact you can call people you donât know dumb just shows a lot about you and Intelligent person would never do that so I donât have anything else to say to someone like you.
Source? I want to see those pro players say it. I doubt youâll find anyone who actually plays Havoc say itâs easy, because you have to Fel Rush into potential danger in order to do average DPS, whereas every other class stays in ONE SPOT and just does their rotation. And the Havoc Rotation is harder too since it has a specific order it has to be used in.
Immo Aura > Sigil > Vengeful Retreat > Eye Beam > Fel Rush > Essence Break > Blade Dance > Chaos Strike
You use any of those out of order and you screw up your DPS big time. I doubt any other class has all this.
Lmao, what? You can tell how smart someone is based on their beliefs. Havoc is objectively a complex rotation that also requires a lot of movement, while every other melee stays in one place and hits the training dummy.
So are you on the DH forums just to be a contrarian? Surely there are better things to do with your free time, like going outside.
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Pro players are the worst thing that happened to Wow.
Because they do not represent the actual playerbase, but everything is tuned or done with them in mindâŚ
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