DH in pve content

[Falyon-ravencrest]

Hows DH in pve (i know its doing well on logs, im talking gameplay)

DH was always a class theme wise i liked, however at its launch after momentum went out the window i found the class quite boring.

DF seems to of brought alot to its kit however, so im wondering, does the class feel any deeper, or is it still just spamming the same 4 abilities?.

[Ilyon-silvermoon]

It’s very good.

It’s toolkit works the best in m+, but it’s good in raids too.

The rotation can be very good if you spec for it, and honestly, most specs have 4 or 5 main abilities that they use to do most of the damage. And that’s fine.

Overall id say that havoc is top tier in gameplay too. It’s not as good as outlaw rogue gameplay though, but outlaw rogue is pretty much unbeatable in that aspect.

Rogue at the moment is probably the best designed class overall, and it has the numbers to back it up too.

[Falyon-ravencrest]

Ive not tried outlaw since SL overall, it looks good but also hectic haha.

I been playing sub and it seems pretty good. My gears rly low so not amazing dps tho

[Ilyon-silvermoon]

All 3 specs for rogue are excellent right now.

But i prefer outlaw and then sub.

[Falyon-ravencrest]

Sub has alot of finishers but not many actual abilitirs which is abit weird. Outlaw seems to have abit more of a rotation in regards to builders.

[Ilyon-silvermoon]

Depends on the build.

With certain build you can literally do 1 builder 1 spender for prolonged periods of time.

[Ilyon-silvermoon]

Yea dh is generally easier, but not easier than most other classes.

[Callizto-argent-dawn]

Now days if you play M+ build or so called AOE spec it is all about burst windows every 40 sec when Eye beam and Essence breaks goes of CD.

In real case scenario you have to adapt you rotation to what is happening around you and maybe hold a skill or 2 for next pack Like Eye Beam/Essence Break. Or if for example something dangerous soon will happen so you have to move out of melee range and so on. Most important i would say is that you try to do the burst rotation right if you play Momentum/Essence Break build.

• Cast Eye Beam, pool > 100 fury prior.
• Cast Vengeful Retreat
• Cast Essence Break
• Cast Blade Dance
• Cast Annihilation when Essence Break debuff is on target.

Preferably turn around and vengeful retreat backwards through your target so you land in melee range but can be tricky to do so if you land out of range use Fel Blade or Felrush to get in range.

If you land within melee range you can fit 2 Anhilliations in the 4 second Essence Break window. If i remember right your haste had to be around +11% and most DH got less now days. But it is a good thing to think about if for example Bloodlust/Heroism is cast and you got the extra haste.

Here is rotation taken from icy veins so you get the idea of how it is to play DH now days.

Opening Rotation for Havoc Demon Hunter

1. Pre-cast Sigil of Flame
2. Cast Immolation Aura as you enter combat
3. Cast Felblade to engage from a range if needed.
4. Cast Eye Beam to trigger Metamorphosis via Demonic.
5. Cast Essence Break
6. Cast Death Sweep
7. Cast Metamorphosis.
8. Cast Death Sweep
9. Cast Annihilation
10. Cast Eye Beam.
11. Continue with Single Target Rotation.

Single-Target Rotation for Havoc Demon Hunter (Momentum/Essence Break Build)

• Cast The Hunt.
• Cast Death Sweep on cooldown.
• Cast Eye Beam, pool > 100 fury prior.
• Cast Vengeful Retreat to trigger the Initiative Critical Strike bonus.
• Cast Essence Break paired after Eye Beam and with Initiative.
• Cast Metamorphosis if available, make sure Eye Beam and Death Sweep are on cooldown before this.
• Cast Blade Dance (Hold if Essence Break and Eye Beam cooldowns are < 3 seconds).
• Cast Annihilation when Essence Break debuff is on target.
• Cast Throw Glaive if overcapping charges.
• Cast Annihilation if at 40 Fury or above.
• Cast Immolation Aura.
• Cast Fel Rush if the Unbound Chaos buff is active.
• Cast Throw Glaive if off cooldown.
• Cast Felblade if under 80 Fury.
• Cast Chaos Strike if at 40 Fury or above.
• Cast Fel Rush if about to hit 2 charges or to trigger the Momentum buff.
• Cast Sigil of Flame if below 40 Fury.

Havoc has a lot of talents that link up with each other in a powerful way, usually having one pick having a powerful interaction with another elsewhere on the tier. Examples of this are Felblade paired with Demon Blades; Initiative, Unbound Chaos, and Momentum together; or finally Furious Throws, Accelerating Blade, and Soulrend. In many cases, the talents enable each other and should not be run alone.
In AoE when playing Soulrend and supporting talents it becomes a high priority with crazy DPS. Watch out and prioritise casting Throw Glaive to prevent it from getting overcapped/unused to optimize DPS.