DH vs Ret Paladin

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For casual stuff like WQ, farming and M+ but not higher than M10.

Please help me.

Though DH are so insanely strong in mobility the playstyle gets kinda weird :frowning:

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I like to reck DHā€™s in WPvPā€¦ but in the end they will just fly to Africa because my mobility is slow af.

Love DHā€™s tearsā€¦ so sweet.

See it positive mate, you can faceroll any other content instead.

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Pally wreck in PvP, DH slaughter them in all PvE lol. No one cares about pallys in keys or raids. Mediocre damage and lame utility.

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Hi

I just wonder, how can you call the paladinā€™s utility for ā€œlameā€? I think they are pretty decent - but you are right about the damage - but interesting, that ret pala are the 2nd most played melee class in Mythic+ Season 2 ladder.

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They bring literally nothing to the table, other then lay of hands (10 min CD) and blessings (which are meh). Over a rogue that can silence 3x casters for 6-12 seconds (tanks are very weak to magic damage now), mass stealth to avoid aweful packs. Slow mobs on hit, make it easier for tank to kite. Kidney and cheap shot for OP stuns (alot of range hard cast, and canā€™t be interupted, but can be stunned). Tricks and vanish for 0 agro etc

In the top 100 keys there 0 ret pallys (plenty of tank/healer pallys), and in the top 1000 keys theres under 20, out of 3000 DPS people int here.

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But if you read my first post again you will notice Iā€™m a casual player, and if you ask yourself, how many of us are actually playing in top 100 keys? No one, right :smiley:

But thanks for you answer and I think Iā€™ll stay DH then for the mobility and the viability in M+ and then I have to eat up and accept the playstyle :smiley: Gonna miss those heavy hits from the ret though.

On a side note: What do you think about Warriors for M+?

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Word of glory, Wisdom, kings. BoP, poison dispells. Single target stun aoe interupt.
Same dps as DH. However DH can do the dps without knowing how to play the game by just having a talent.

Some of the first 20s this season was done with ret because it was a hard healer week with the buffed grevious.

There literally is not that many groups that have done anything above a 20.
something like 6-10 groups (did not count just looked over them) is in the top 120 ranks.

But then again a frost mage that only brings slows would think like you do.

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I donā€™t know how about you, but my experience is kinda different. I cannot count the number of paladins I forced to bubble hearth back to their wretched city and made them a pretty long trip.

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U have no idea m8,

Ret has the highest sustained aoe dmg together with ow rogues. Divine storm trait is a must and I have seen ret pales destroy reaping before I can even end my fee barrage cast. Yup in m+ is literally spam divine storm as much as possible coz the dmg is insane.

Lame utility: BoP, LoH BoF (if a tank needs to quite and get slowed you can just freedom it and gg easy) ,offhealing, BoK and Bow, blinding light, 45 sec cd 6 sec aoe stun vs undeads( not counting demons coz thereā€™re not much in this exp) with insane dmg (many of them in bfa dungs)

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Ret is currently the beast in M+, even JD consider it the spec is not played so often, just becouse it was to bad in Uldir tier, but times change friend. By the way one the best m+ group in the world running 2 outlaw, 1 ret, prot warry and resto druid.
Ret is there becouse of insane aoe burst dmg, strong utility (freedom, dispel poison, immunities, wisdom) and absolutly broken spot heals. while its very durable (but totaly immobile) dps, i know what i am talking about. its also pretty well counters of the biggest issue of high tyranical keys which is mana regen when you have dps which is able to the top 3 ppl to practicaly full hp every minute while its passively regenerating healers mana and does very decent single target dps at the same time this issue goes of the table. Yeah and i forgot aoe stun on reaping with 5sec duration ad 15 yard cone hitting for 45k- 102k in my case every 45 sec on the others its just 50% slow for 6 sec

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Dunno where youā€™re looking. On raider io thereā€™s 2x ret pally in the top 500 keys done. Around the 250 mark and 400 mark. Plenty of every other class before that. Ret Pallys literally the lowest represented class in top 500 keys. And not a single ones done a 20+ key.

Blessing are aweful, the tank one gives a whole woping few % less damage. The mana ones pointless in keys when you can eat food. Freedom abd Lay on hands are decent, give ya that one. And your ā€œAoE stunā€ isnā€™t a stun, itā€™s a daze, that breaks on hit. So it doesnā€™t stun mobs, itā€™ll just interupts a cast. Then break next aoe hit from anyone. Far inferior to DH 2x AoE stun, monk leg sweep etc.

And off heals in keys? Lol. Maybe if you run off and spot heal, majorly reducing dps. And youll go oom half healing someone, that a healer can do in a fraction of that time.

DH absolutely slaughter pally in keys. Pally slaughter DH in raids and PvP. Where the blessings count.

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Uh, I think they meant Wake of Ashes, that one stuns Undead and Demons. Otherwise we canā€™t call it a stun no. Anyways, still inferior if you ask me.

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i wasnt slaughtered by any DH, and yes lot off ppl says paladin does not dmg and no its not true actualy my avarage dps today in tyranical week was 32,7 per two dungeons namely kings rest 17+ and atal 17+m, which is realy not inferrior i think and yes off heals cost dps but realy not so much of it. Not many ppl plays doesnt mean the spec is badā€¦ and no wake of ashes realy isnt inferior in reaping you still have aoe interupt or 6 second stun on short cd. and by the way lay on hand and buble are not on 10min and 5 min on higher keys your default pick is talent which is reducing both of them by 30% you want to cheese mechanics as often as possibleā€¦ you simply didnt met any expyrienced ret thats all :).

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just copy past to raider io site the guy is Korean.
(KR) Azshara, he is rank 31 world all dps currently, which means you can easyly play well as ret in m+.
i know lot off ppl feels off healing as something inferior,but the same ppl obviously dont know how does healing work two world of glory in two globals does same end very often more healing then tranquility which is funny becouse of its casting of two insant spells with one minute recharge time, it saves a lot of ppl.

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Question do you know why people most of the time use Druid healers in the 20+ range?

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oom :smiley: druid is not oom to fast and does pretty good dps aswell + cres bdk is no longer the only option and yeah its calculated as ranged while paly and monk are melee which sucks horribly in class balance

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rogue -> pala -> dh -> rogue
If we throw away all other classes weā€™ll get a pefect balance.

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Holy F if I told people 10 years ago Rets would claim other classes are too dumb.

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I agree there but it is true in this day and age of wow.

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Well, retr is stronger. Almost all spells are superior than the DH one. More interrupts, immunity and heals in combo. Just too much.