Wait… are you saying that in WoW we arent reminded of this constantly too?
Talking from a canonical standpoint, no.
Yes, above-mentioned ‘stars’ that we help will tell us, or you might get recognition from quest-text, but let’s not pretend like the story recognizes us overmuch. Most recognition is done in a more throwaway manner, whereas you are an actual in-story character 100% of the time in FFXIV. Practically everything that happens in and around the game centres mostly around you.
I mean… I don’t know… Feels like we the ‘‘Champion’’ get an awfull lot of mention to anything big happening to the point its almost a meme at this point.
Some people want us us to return to more simpler characters, And then when we do. Some players complain we don’t get reckonized for our past heroics enough in our quest/raids and dialouges.
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I’m certainly not complaining. As said, there are merits to both methods. The way of old WoW (being the unnamed and barely mentioned faceless grunt) gives a lot more player freedom, whereas you are THE main star of FFXIV and a literal character – the most important – giving little freedom in that regard.
I’m not saying you don’t get recognition in WoW, just talking from the standpoint provided by others in the thread. How we defeat so many big-bads but, for the sake of plot and story, it is often conveyed as us helping an actual in-game character (or characters) so that we can remain an unquantified and largely unknown entity in that equation.
Its true… We’re always side characters to jaina and thrall and all the others. I agree with that.
Think of it like this – using the Garrosh SOO fight as an example. Once you’ve defeated him, you cut immediately to in-game characters who push the plot. We are nowhere to be seen and are only recognized via walls of text, few of which will even use the (player name) tag. Essentially, we go on with our gaming and the plot moves forward without us. Part of that is how it can’t include us in CGI movies – but see below about new in-game cutscenes, which allows more character inclusion.
In FFXIV, the plot can’t go anywhere without you. You are the main actor.
WoW has taken a leaf out of FFXIV book lately with the in-game cutscenes, which is how FFXIV has done it since the very beginning. It is the only real way that WoW can make you feel like, yes, your character is actually there and actually doing these things – along with dialogue like “Maw Walker” - typical method of a game giving you a name and avoid the fact we actually have our own.
Yet the plot will still center on in-game characters. Covenant leaders, Jaina, Thrall, Baine, Jailer, Anduin, etc. Canonically, it’s mostly them doing the work. In-game, it is us.
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Meh, the entire story since Wrath has been like bad fan fiction involving some leads favourite character. Metzens Green Jesus Thrall and Lons favourite Waifu Sylvanas being the worst of the bunch.
As far as I am concerned everything after ICC is like season 5 of Babylon 5 or Seasons 3 onwards of Defiance I.E They dont exist.
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Since bfa lore is not interesting anymore. I’m not against changes in the story if it leads to something interesting Legion is the best example for that but since bfa story is just boring and feels like some 8 y.o wrote it. They even managed to ruin 2 major villians they have been teasing for years.
people still interested in blizz s cookie cutter bad story telling?
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Which makes no sense as he was raised as a freaking gladiator who had to fight for his life for at least half of his life before he even touched shamanism.
It makes total sense seeing as Thrall lost to Garrosh during most of their duels. Thrall was essentially beaten before he handed over his mantle, and defeated again in SOO – but bear in mind that it was always done in a manner that focused more on the “martial” side of the contest rather than an all-out power fight, hence Thrall casually dunked Garrosh in Nagrand when not trying good ole fashioned “Fisticuffs”.
Thrall’s power has always been more akin to his abilities rather than outright fighting.
By comparison, Cairne Bloodhoof - who casually beat Garrosh (until all the dramatic shady shenanigans that got him killed during the Mak’gora) - was an actual warrior.
Muster not master
Doesnt mean he would automatically be a good warrior. Him being an orc also gave him an upper hand against non orc opponents as a gladiator. He was simply being more suited for Shamanism rather than being a Warrior. Just like Garrosh was not suited to being a shaman but was a child blessed by god in regards of physical power. I mean the only one that could best Garrosh physically was Varian who was of unnatural origin regarding his strength (dragons and all that stuff not counted obviously)
Should have kept Garrosh alive for 8.3 tho. That guy had such a corruption resistance jesus christ.
You forgot about Cairne. He was beating Garrosh easily before he got poisoned.
And Baine too tbh. In the novel he saw his alternate self ripping Garrosh in half easily.
Ye ok Cairne. Point given.
Alternate selves are meaningless for a number of reasons. Theres also an alternative Garrosh where hes the rightous ruler of the world pretty much.
Point stands however that Thrall is an absolute horrendous Warrior. Always was.
what makes those nobheads powerful? unlike them players earned their power, pretty sure we are stronger than thrall jaina and others
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nah thrall is toothless peon, we beat garrosh, not thrall
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