What do you all think? It feels very ambiguous and reading players’ comments from way back in Dec 18, it seems like people are split. Now that BFA is over, what is the consensus?
Question is, did Lilian Voss tell the truth about helping Zelling’s family and make them buy a farm near Arom’s Stand?
For:
Rexxar and Lilian both say so, independent from each other (they could have coordinated lies though)
Lilian Voss doesn’t seem to be set up as evil in Shadowlands, and when she tells the player that she did help, she doesn’t really have a reason to lie.
Against:
The “they are at a farm” thing is the most common “nice” way to lie about someone’s death, and Rexxar’s acting seems weird and hesitant, as if he had to make it up on the spot when Zelling asked
The family is nowhere to be found on the Alliance side in Drustvar (could just be laziness from Blizzard’s part)
She did. Lillian was very sympathetic to Zelling’s situation, and made good on her promise. It was hinted that, even though their family was broke, they somehow found enough gold to find a nice home in Arom’s Stand, and keep the children well-fed. This was obviously Lillian.
Blizzard really tried to portrait her as the worst of the worst. They tried everything to make her fanois realize that she is just evil and a villian. Still wonder why some of them still won’t accept it.
Could you share the source if you have time? I did not play during this expansion, and can’t see anything about it on wowpedia.
She seemed like someone who would honour the deal with Zelling. Yet, at the same time, I do not fully trust Lilian. Some things that appear on PTR never come back, some - do.
Like, original phrase of Calia Menethil that she gave up her claims of throne was removed in Legion and added again in Shadowlands. Similarly, “Lilian’s machinations becoming clearer” were removed from her interaction with Calia, but who knows which person she actually refers to when she talks about a suitable leader.
TL;DR: she seemed sympathetic to Zelling, yet, she does not seem trust worthy. She could help to his family. But who knows where will the outcome of this help lead.
Sure Lillian “paid” them and so now they have a nice farm…located in the Maw
and they even reunited with Zelling himself there. They are not scared of him anymore even if he’s undead, probably because the things in the Maw are one hundred times worse than an Undead as they even scared Sylvanas
Jokes aside, they are probably fine now… Blizzard did what they did to the character of Sylvanas in this expansion so they know they cannot ruin any other character in the Horde roster, since the Horde is a quite bad shape already character-wise.
So it would be madness now to ruin Lillian Voss making her kill Zelling’s family, or Rexxar lying about it. On the contrary, if Rexxar discovered that she harmed them, he would kill her himself. But his family is fine so all of this isn’t happening. Blizzard is just lazy if they did not show them in Drustvar or Tiragarde again after that, they probably forgot about them.
she was always evil even back in classic there no years of character development to flush down the toilet just because your in denial don’t mean there is anything new character wise the more recent expansion has put her evil in the lime light
She was being evil since at leas Cata. There has not been any development that says otherwise. Her actions since classic were evil as hell but at least not that obvious.
Even in Edge of Night she calls the Forsaken disposable tools for her goals.
True but even then it seemed her evilness was justified, first in securing safty and second the survival of her people.
in BFA she seems to go “screw the Forsaken” and decides to just risk everything for power.
Dont get me wrong, im not a fan of her since cata either but at least the direction back then has some merit not like bfa.
Pretty sure Níckk meant it was explained and made sense. In Cata it seemed like she did all the terrible stuff to have a bigger and stronger “nation” of forsaken (even at the expense of everything else). Now in BFA/Shadowlands all this is out the window.
I know a nother “leader” who did horrible stuff for his nation to be stronger … at the end he has built concentration camps, genocided people, waged a world ar and did ever atrocity imagineable. Experimentation on humans and so on …
You know who I am refering to, no it is not Sylvanas even though the explanation matches 100%.
What you suffer is confirmation bias. You filter your information to match your predefined and whished view, to preserve it.
It feeds into believe preservation.
The funny thing about this mechanique is, that even when you present facts and truth, people ignore them on a cognitive level to preserve their believes.
So we have explained and provided sources and argument why she was allways evil. You chose to not want to see them, no matter what.
You want to presevrer your view on her, no matetr what she does. This is why people like you tried to spin and twist reality by coming up with reasons why the burned children were actually the evil ones…
