Did WoW lost the concept of a real mmo and became a pure time-gated repetitive collectible game?

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The gaming industry reached to huge sum of money then investors started pouring more money into it because of it’s potential and wanting to grab a piece of the pie .This is a tragic chain of events for the ultimate players (that means us ) .

All mmo’s with a lot of clients use the same dirty tactics ( skinner’s box for example ) If ppl really want to get to the bottom of this just search some video’s on you,tube about it .

Dev’s like Ion are just caught between the hammer and the anvil , trying to satisfy both sides , investors want huge numbers , gamers want quality , we all can see that this isn’t happening in our favor .

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And in retail you too don’t need to farm if you don’t want to ? Look at me. Iam Level 55 with my heart and I never do world quests.

Keep up for what ? Do you raid high mythic ? Is you raid slot in danger ?

And farm consumables and only play healing. Since you want to keep up. As Retribution you won’t , and without consumabales you won’t eithery

Who forces you to get azerit power ?

Yes I do say that , as someone who is at 55 only.

And you won’t be taken to any higher difficulty raid runs if you don’t have best consumabales , BiS gear AND you HAVE to be a healer.

Also make you own groups. Issue solved.

I don’t play as much as before, but I still try to get pve grind done over the week , so that I can play pvp at the weekends if I have time.

Why do you think i don’t play

Also iam still waiting for you to explain why a essence you get only in pvp , is a pve item ?

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Yes, I know. However, BfA is a huge grindfest of a game, and if you sit out 1-2 days, the people you want to keep up with get a huge advantage in the meantime. Me, as a PvP player, decided to sit out a few days, and the amount of gear dropback I experienced was insane. Not to mention, how insanely RNG intensive getting good gear is.

It really depends on how we define “casual players”: he only has a few hours to play each week, or doesn’t make the effort to get better gear… Personally I take the game extremely casually because I no longer have that much of an investment, but I still make an effort to get good gear, and try to enjoy ourselves with my buddies.

Mostly PvP related stuff. Again, gear difference. I don’t raid, ever since Dragon Soul I’ve been hugely uninterested in it. As a hpally on 3s, having 2 minor essence slots is a huge advantage, an advantage that gear can’t account for.

I suggest you look up Spelladin if you think Retributions don’t benefit the raid from a pure damage numbers standpoint. Besides that, for healers consumables are not really mandatory - of course they help, and they have a better charm than the endless AP grind. If you grind consumes, you can make use of them whenever you want. If you grind AP, you need to do it for a long long time to make use of your essences (or in 8.0, to make use of your traits lul).

Noone, but I want to have my essences. For that I need to grind AP. The problem with it is that it’s an extremely mind-numbing and easy task that takes ages to complete - whereas I can gather a few mandatory consumables for my Spelladin in 90 minutes if I’m really slow? And not to mention, they last for quite a few raid nights.

Yes, and that is something that I don’t mind - consumables and gear grinding is something I’m not against. What I’m against is the endless AP grind, and the fact that getting gear is insanely RNG intensive compared to Classic.

Yes, it works. But the issue even OP tried to point out is that people are being treated as numbers, not as players, both from the actual players and Blizzard themselves. For a game whose original target audience were the more casual MMORPG players, it’s no wonder people lost interest in this game.

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I only play pvp. I can play during the week 1h most of the time and at weekends a bit more. I am far behind in azerit level and I got duelist on 2 chars with this little time.

If you don’t push glad I don’t think it really matters.

Yes needing to have luck in raids is BS. But you can still push without. On my dk I never got the trident or belt/ void spear.

Than why do you care if you fall behind ?

As a top Tier heal of this season , you shouldn’t really have to much problems . What rating do you play?

Doesn’t matter. Take any meta dd and you have a better group.

You don’t just want them , you want them now. Which is not really mmo like.

Make

Your

Own

Groups

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No, I don’t push glad, however, I do play a lot of 2s (Hpally + Demo / SP), and since the game allows people to be completely dumb, I need to have a serious advantage to win. The Resto DH infestation is insane, and it’s an extreme nobrainer comp. On 3s, it’s also a huge advantage to have better gear over your opponent (mostly the PvE trinkets and other shenanigans).

Yeah if you had those, 2s would feel like 4v2 instead of 2v2.

I care because I find the essences really fun to use, however, the grind to achieve those is very poorly designed to say the least.

I mean its hard to play at high rating when I recently began playing BfA again after quitting 1 month after 8.0.

“Operate out of your imagination, not your memory.” I assume you didn’t even look it up, haven’t you?

Apparently, you couldn’t understand that what I have a problem with is how you get there. Again, let me make this very clear: The path of getting your two minor essences is by playing all day and mind-numbingly grinding azerite, a task that has 0 difficulty, and IS TIMEGATED.

You’re not responding to the point that I and the OP presented. Making my own groups works, but the overall pug experience is very bad. I feel like talking to a wall.

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It’s hard to argue with you when your whole point is that you want to have high gear / essence , for low content. Instead of just doing what you enjoy and bite through it.

Who cares if other have pve items or a higher item level. Just play , have fun , improve.

Stop demanding to make everything accessible for everyone

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You completely misunderstand. My point is that AP is an extremely poorly designed grind, alongside the actual gearing being extremely RNG intensive, even more so than Diablo3, a game that WoW copied.

I’m not demanding that. You either: have not followed through our conversation / have misundestood / have intentionally misrepresent what I said. I’m demanding that the AP and gearing grind should be improved upon.

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Copied ? I hope you don’t mean paragon and mythic +

Because you want to have a essence which you don’t even need ?

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If you think they prioritize the well being of their customers over the dollar you’re sadly mistaken

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They aren’t concerned about the players, they are concerned about the bad pubilicity it gives.

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they do not care about that at all. at all. there was like, 1 reality tv episode where some kid was addicted to wow and i hardly see the correlation. every single decision is made with profit being first priority. i doubt personal player health even comes into the list

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