Difficulty isn't keeping the new generation or casuals away from WoW

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Tbh i think both the playerbase and blizzard are slightly guilty of this.

The moment pruning happened, they wanted a immrdiate revert to MOP, whjch had classes running 38 keybind set ups in pve let alone pvp, hence why it was a macro haven where players went as far as swallowing dps losses just to macro stuff down.

While i think legion and defintly BFAs pruning was too far, i dont think a caster running 3 button rotations is acceptable in a mmorpg at all.

Some speccs went too far, but then suddenly the playerbase are going to throw every specc into the argument with the isolated problem.

So now when every class gets repruned, and classes like DH frost mage, frost dk who run rather small rotations that are simple lose even more abilities. The playerbase will once again screech because suddenly class fantasy is beyond dead due to 0 expression

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I feel like the one spec that hasnt been screwed over for 10 years is Destruction. Thereā€™s no real difference between 'em now and MoP. Which I think is neat.

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Itā€™s not the difficulty keeping new players away its the bloat and the fact they story makes absolutely no sense to them at all, if a new player starts and seeā€™s all the content that this game has which is completely irrelevant they will just say no thanks.

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I think DF class design, has done rly well for a quantity of speccs, and done others really over tbe top.

As i say, its one reason i think frosts expansion will be fine.

Once u break down those abilities in to ST and AoE rotations. They arent going to be that long.

Also frost CD wise is very simple. Which means said rotation wont move much in use

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Dh is not simple anymore.I loved my Dh in Legion so I wouldnā€™t mind a reprune.
Its not in a really bad state now but not good either.
And donā€™t make me start on how much I hate momentum build(that I actually rather lose dps than play it).

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Well no DH in DF gained alot to do because of momentums design yes aswell as more abilkties , but if the reprune. It will return to its 2 or 3 button rotations as it was.

As far as im aware its because of momentum atleast with positional requirements

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I had no idea Asmon had played the game. I figured a popular game coming out (hardly a recent event) most streamers would have tried it and he had. Itā€™s sad that this forum and other mediums are so obsessed with Asmon or what his followers do. A quick google and yes he had. As have many others.

Most games that sell well are known and it has nothing to do with streamers playing them. Sure they are another form of advertising and thatā€™s why they are often given free copies, or access to testing etc.

I donā€™t watch any streamers to be fair. I find it incredibly boring to watch someone else play a game, regardless of how good or bad they are at it. I can see that others find this entertainment ofc. Just like people will watch football, or a race (something else I avoid like the plague).

I rarely ever share Asmongoldā€™s view on stuff. Once in a blue moon he will say something I agree with. He is just another player and people watch him because they find him entertaining. Heā€™s very successful at it as are many others. But that does not mean his opinion has any more weight to me, but heā€™s certainly entitled to his own views ofc.

It would be nice to see debates where people could stop harping on about some streamer they adore or despise.

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It was never 2 or 3 buttonsā€¦people only put felblade and chaos strike as rotation or what?
Momentum is bad and there are many saying they hate itā€¦not just me.
And the other build(which I currently use) is super unforgiving if you have to move and you didnā€™t complete the rotation you lose dps(and its already behind momentum)ā€¦so its not in a good state.
I like essense break and the hunt to be honestā€¦but i also miss things like fel barrage.

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No ones disagreeing with that. No one likes using mobility in a dps rotation.

Well no i think its more of a meme.

But u arent adding much more. You have the criss cross slash, felbeam and the glaive toss too, but i think its a case where when builds dtarted not utilising certain factors its simply as it was labelled.

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See if you donā€™t play it u canā€™t comment on itā€¦or make it meme.
You are sorely mistaken.

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Everyone played it in legion.

And i has every class in the game to 70 tbh so i defintly have

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You are not playing it nowā€¦
It was amazing and easy to pick up thats why it was popular.And the wings helped too.
Not everyone needs 99 buttons on 3 rows tbh.

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Iirc when it was first launched momentum was the used build in legion (i know it did change)

At first it was fun, but novelty wore off fast sadly with the mechanic.

And ofcourse im not playing it now?. There are alot of classes i have played that im not playing right now.

Not everyone csn play the same class for years and not move main.

Since legion my altaholics been terrible, primarily because classes havent felt deep enough, i find classes at their most fun when learning.

And no one wants 99 buttons. I just didnt like the other extreme which was legion / bfas prunr

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I never liked or played momentumā€¦
I need my fel rush to run away from bad not run into bad.
Well I have a few Dh s ,this used to be a main,now I have another Dh main.
I do play other classes too but in the end Dh is like home for me so I want it to be good cause I am not shifting according to fotm,I stuck with it in Sl season 1ā€¦when it was gutted cause people whined its too good.
So no it was never meme or 3 buttonsā€¦
And the rework in Df needs moreā€¦reworkā€¦imho.

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Wasnā€™t nighthold DH pretty much just Felblade, blade dance, and eye beam on cd, then spam chaos strike to dump fury because you didnā€™t have a generator with the legendary ring?

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This comment just fits perfectly to the goblin picture

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I donā€™t remember per patchesā€¦but I remember having Fury of the Illidary and Fel Barrage too,and I believe I had the Metamorphosis legendaryā€¦and Fel Eruption used to do quite a bit of damage too.
It s been 10000 years lolā€¦

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wow isnā€™t a hard game and thatā€™s not whatā€™s the issue about it. itā€™s just 20 years worth of content & people are min/maxing in every aspect of it even leveling. the game itself isnā€™t hard especiall not for beginner stages but you can get kicked out of a leveling dungeon because of a mistake so toxic community is what pushes people away. is the game itself perfect ? definitely not.
thereā€™s no way you can follow and learn wowā€™s story like other games , nothing is being offered as a main questline to give you the basic info. you have to use 3rd party websites to learn about lore, mechanics and everything else in the game. MANY other mmos have a main questline, wow just barfs at your face with thousandsa of hours long questlines and donā€™t show you any way to follow. BFA is the starter area but since you have no idea who those people are, you donā€™t care about the story. the worst part is, vanilla is not included in the game and cata revamp doesnā€™t offer a way to start your warcraft journey in a proper way. thatā€™s why we need a revamp to tidy things up.
iā€™m not even gonna talk about the gameā€™s engine being old , old zones looking like 2.5D games etc.

also, that streamer is nowhere near being a person that represents new gen players.

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This has always been the case, as many lore things comes from Pre-WoW (Warcraft 2-3), or from novels.

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yes but it gets worse and worse with new expansions adding more things that you should know about . many other mmos give you basic info in their main questlines but if you start playing wow today and see jaina in bfa , youā€™ll need to search who she is what sheā€™s doing why is she important etc. some may find that appealing but itā€™s really not when thereā€™s too much of it