[Discussion] [H] [RP] The Horde RP scene

Hello everyone.

If the title sounds cryptic I’ll get right into the topic. If you want a TLDR version I’ll provide one at the end of my post.

Ladies and gents of the (better) faction, I want to talk to you about the RP scene on the Horde. Not because it’s doing bad or because of “Horde Rp is dying” or because I’m particularly miffed or salty about it- But rather, because I think from the conversations I’ve had with people a lot of them have been reminiscing and thinking about the same stuff I have.

I am, of course, talking about the current state of Horde RP.

So before we start the discussion about it, it’d probably good if I clarified what I mean by that.

I personally feel that the once relatively open RP scene in the Horde has splintered into different communities, clicks and groups- And while in many cases that’s all nice and good, as people can simply differentiate and choose what kind of RP experience they want from the game, it has, in my view, killed a lot of the interaction and broader server aligning storylines and the feel that your character is part of this large network of relations spanning across entire factions, even over to the other faction.

Now, is that fundamentally a bad thing or not? Maybe, maybe not. I don’t know- It just feels wrong to me. But ultimately I can’t answer that.

But, if I feel that there is something that could be improved, we have to look at the root causes- What caused, the supposed change (if there even was any in the first place?). I’m going to use myself and my own experiences as an example (Since I can only speak for myself), and I’m going to give names not to fall into vagueposting.

Gameplay wise, I was always a loner and am to this date. I enjoy pugging and doing my own stuff, though recently I’ve done more content with my lovely guild Grim Gest (Which has probably been my most positive discovery in the last few years). But RP wise, I’ve always enjoyed interacting with a lot of different people, come across new communities and forge new friendships/rivalries- Such as with Rak’huul’s lot at the start of the expansion in the Zuldazar nights.

Back in WoD, even before that, I feel like the random RP scene was blooming way more in Orgrimmar and around the rest of the Horde RP scene. Closely knit guilds were still a thing (e.g. OotRB, Blackjaw Clan) who had their own stuff going, but by far and large whenever there were serverwide events, campaigns and even just the usual VoH RP, I saw people mingling and RPing with one another, regardless of the guild tag. Some of my favorite interactions are from late MoP all the way to Legion included RPing in campaigns (Frozen heart 1,2, Zephyr, Legacy of the Saurok, Soggoth, Savannah) where I met with individuals (e.g. Exijin, Bwimtoru, Rogmasha, Brigante, Matowa, Hangart, Skreel) and guilds (e.g. Blood howl, FPC, Rotgarde, Darkspear Tribe, Sun Hawks, Electrofish). Of course, problems emerged and were still a thing back then (Of which I was part of more than once, too), but they weren’t as prevalent I feel- That, or I just didn’t notice the change.

However things changed with BFA I feel- Especially after the drums of war, and moreso with the Chook’s Northrend Campaign afterwards. Something happened that I feel drove a big wedge between the guilds, individuals and other players.

One reason could be the lore- Which has obviously splintered Horde into Sylvanas loyalists vs non loyalists. Another reason could be personal relationships or guild rivalries. Personally, I very rarely if ever ignore people unless I feel that for both of the sides sakes it’s just better to avoid one another, even if they do something to slight me or something else. I like to leave the relationship open ended in most cases.

Another reason could just very well be the age of the game- Many people have left the game alltogether or the RP scene. People also grow older and grow other interests. Maybe I’m just a boomer sipping monster juice and reminsicing the good old days.

But that’s just my take on the thing- You may have a complete opposite view or may have not even paid it that much thought or attention. I’m interested to hear your PoV, either way. Maybe I’m just alone in my views, maybe it’s mode widespread than I thought. I’d like to know, that’s all, regardless of the guild or community you’re part of, or whether you like or dislike me.

Of course, more than likely this thread will very soon turn into sh1tposting galore where people take slights at one another- But on the off chance that if we manage to get in even 1-2 genuine thoughts, posts or even the general idea that other people have also been having these same thoughts, we might at least find some consensus or common ground that could potentially be used to build back that community feel I feel has, if not left the Horde RP scene, then at the very least thinned down.

TLDR: Old man yells at cloud wanting community feeling back.

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I agree that the split likely stems in great part from Battle for Azeroth. The premise of it was always problematic for me because I felt like it encouraged the negative toxicity that is inherent between the playerbase of both factions, and it even managed to split up the Horde playerbase. That animosity lingering is also a product of Blizzard’s lazy and unsatisfying conclusion to the conflict.

I’m not afraid to admit that I take a concious part in this “schism”. There are indeed certain groups of people in the community I do not want to interact with, either because I have not had a good experience with them OOC or I find some of their liberal interpretations of the current story in RP questionable. Whether this is well-founded or it is just emotion, I cannot even say for sure.

It is obvious that people trying to interact and mingle is healthy for the community, but I also won’t pretend that it is so simple as to make it happen or that I have an answer as to how. Like I made clear, I have my own biases even though I am aware of them not being very productive. We are all humans after all, and as you say, Boush, even when addressing the problem, there is a chance that it will just deteoriate into more petty arguments.

All I can say is, yes, it would be nice if we could put it past us.

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TLDR: don’t count on it because there’s been too much unacceptable serpent-like behaviour for forgiveness to even be worth considering (a fifth time over)

tho actually come to think of it i think it’s been said that a few well-placed apologies might re-open interactions but those are just not gonna happen ever.

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More or less, yeah.

Reality is often disappointing.

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I do think one of the big wedges is the rebellion.

Back at the end of WoD I imagine the Garrosh loyalist RP scene being rather small, with 95% of the community siding with Vol’jin.

Now in BfA, a huge chunk of players sided with Sylvanas, causing the “morally grey” side to not simply be ran over by the giant blob of rebels.

That and the consequences of rebellion being such a controversy, where people left and right decided consequences were not in line with how the story was playing out in their heads, causing a big deal of OOC drama from IC situations and interactions.

Or am I wrong in thinking this?

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For a short observation on the overall state of the Horde, I’ll say that a combination of an ageing game + lore based division has fuelled many grudges that’s resulted in people either leaving the game or isolating themselves.

I’ve always been in or around the blood elf RP scene, and I tend to prefer race-centric themes as opposed to alliance/horde unity (just a personal preference), so unfortunately I can’t give a more nuanced response regarding the overall state of Horde RP.

tl:dr, old ELF yells at MANY CLOUDS

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100% right

The players playing the “good guys” for most part wanted to replay the mistakes of the last rebellion - kicking it off many patches early and doing an easy but very honourable steamroll of the antagonists where they were reduced to niche NPCs

Instead the loyalist faction grew to match or even eclipse those numbers and because these characters (or their players, since they are often one and the same) couldn’t get the effortless victory they desired they began to resort to all sorts of boring OOC techniques

At that juncture it’s more fun to avoid any entanglement. If people act in a dolmio jar portal hopper / OOC politico guild infiltrator way they can do it without my having to witness it

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If only the Morally Good Rebellion RP scene wasn’t such a trashheap of mass reports, fiendish backstabbing / OOC politics and the complete incompetency of sorting issues out in a mutually respectful dialogue then we wouldn’t be where we are at now.

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There is a sense of community, it’s just split between the different communities across the Horde who can’t tolerate how some of the other communities operate. Some of these communities are named, some aren’t. There’s also a small number of people who are aware of the communities and have friends in multiple communities, but they’re a tiny minority.

If you’re looking for large groups of guilds who get along with each other and gladly roleplay with each other at any opportunity, more than a few of those exist.
If you’re looking for the entire faction to be united and happily get along with each other, that would require a lot of bridge-mending that no one’s really willing to do.

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Just wanna go back in time bros when i could log on and find rp in seconds and enjoy every second of it xxx

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All this and more could be yours. All you have to do is join my internet cult

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I AM BIDDEN!

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Same, I wish I didn’t taste the fruit of knowledge and stayed ignorant of OOC drama. Sadly that edenic existence is now forever denied to me. :pensive:

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If someone ever actually said that and it’s not just satire, they’re totally wrong.

If the PCU isn’t somebody’s thing, there are other thriving communities that contain multiple guilds in the Horde. They’re just not regularly advertised on the forums.

“All thats left are PCU guilds” is only accurate if you just sit in Orgrimmar and/or the forums and never put any effort into looking for anything else.

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Congrats, someone actually said that. Pretty weird post that one was… Unpopular Opinion - Orgrimmar aint the same
Reminds me a bit of this Boush one tbh.

Also the only thriving AD community is in fact PCU, everything else is a lie.

They’re not wrong, they’ve just seen into the future and witnessed what is to come

[u witness a dark premonition]

Taxania croaked lying in the ashes of the old order as several PCU terminators patrol past

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I didn’t enjoy a lot of the Horde RP scene during Battle for Azeroth because of how the roleplay between loyalists and rebels turned out. People were accusing each other of metagame and powerplay to the point where people eventually began ignoring each other completely.

In the end, it created this wedge in the RP community of our faction where loyalists would stick to their own in Orgrimmar while rebels roamed elsewhere in Kalimdor, never planning to cross paths again. It wounded the RP scene in Horde side because people who are new to the faction are sometimes skeptical about Horde RP because it’s often guild based in the first place.

Thankfully, 8.2.5 delved deep into what became of the Horde right after the war and one of those details included former loyalists either switching their allegiances, getting thrown into jail or leaving town. So now Horde RP is kind of back to the way it was before the loyalist and rebel RP began.

But now everyone is wondering where the Horde goes from here, even lore characters do. I doubt faction lore will be a big deal in the next expansion so maybe there’s a slight chance we’ll get a novel in between that will give away some details but I don’t think we’ll be seeing the Horde repeat its mistakes the third time any time soon.

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Anyway to avoid such future?

Not anymore

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