Dk in pvp after nerf

I actually agree with everything Leox has said here. Frost is definitely not in a bad spot. I feel the issue is more that you only have a couple of viable comps, I was struggling in Arena until I started playing with Monk or Warrior in 3’s and we instantly started beating all teams to the point of getting 1700 MMR in less than an hour and very quickly went from 1250 to about 1500. Now I haven’t played for a very long time retail so I am still pretty much terrible but to be really fair I think the Utility you bring as frost and the peeling is just extremely good.

What I think needs to happen is a 10-20% buff on Deathstrike
reverse the Heartsop Aura nerf that happened today as I believe Heartstop is extremely crucial to us brining enough to the table.
I think AMS should be buffed a little and would even be fine with getting some small nerf on Anti-Magic Dome
Perhaps reduce Lichborne CD a bit so we can heal more often with Coil and make some talents like Hypothermic a little bit better, or like add immunity to Wraith Walk I remember I saw that some time ago

I think part of the problem for Blizzard here is that we definitely aren’t inherently weak and if they aren’t careful buffs to our heals can make us quite overpowered.

PS: Unholy is another story, that thing has a lot of problems.

This is more of them being insane, not us being good mind you.

bring it back to pre nerf and then observe, it’s not like it’s going to break the game with balance issues even more since it’s already dumb enough.

I was not even aware they nerfed heartstop vs glad medallion, but im not surpised, it’s very blizzlike to find somehting tiny to nerf down even further while ignoring us further.

the moment you wrote this atleast 5 paladins casted WOG andturned arounda bad duel my man

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Pure respect for you to reach that Rating in 2s with our current state in PvP. I could climb to 2k+ in BFA, but can’t move my a$s past 1460, because there is literally 30 duo combination that can sh!t on any duos that has dk in it.

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So what class do you really play?!

Death Knight

Come on that’s not true. It is because the way DKs synergies with monks for the Abom limbs + sweep and stuns.

That being said you can now see Mez is like N3 in World on arenamate as a Frost DK.

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Yea we are made to grip ppl so ww can kill them nice we are wws little b1tches
And what about 2s doctor?

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Forget they exist I guess. But people have been able to get 2.1k as double dps with Ret. But yes, dk’s suck **** in 2’s.

no one really cares about 2’s tho, the game is balanced around 3v3 so if you want to see how a class is performing, 2v2 is not the best representation of that.

Lets check unholy in 3s oh no theres none
Ok lets check frost 1 comp with ww and they are best at thier classes theres no randoms at 2.4
Bur theres 100 wws wars rets rogues randoms at 2.4

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You do realize that your talking about ONE specific comp you can play with dk and tbh if you want to climb rating the only viable 3s partner is warrior/monk and even that isnt not a top tier comp so that does make dk a s hit tier class since you literally cant play with anything else

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In a way yes that is true, the comp is good but here is the thing, i see no problem or disparity in monks performance outside the wondercomp they have with Frost Dk though.

And more power to Mes, the guy seems like a real chill dude (pun intended) but i have stated this before and in my humble opinion, just because you can push high and get glad with A: good friends that know your playstyle and your calls and queues and has good chemistry with you, these days people are drones (who am i kidding, the gearscore addon in wrath was cancer too) and/or metaslaves with no loyalty to the class they play, Fotm people in other words taht will never take you to their Pug team or Pug raid because “who plays frost xD”

That last paragraph is a pet peeve of mine, because thats how i am, i love this class, i love my frost spec, i love my 2 handed slapper, BfA was hell for me, Sl gave alot back but leaves some to be desired still, which in essence is not solely with our class, but i go off on a tangent again, pardon.

B: If a class can for the most part only perform with the tacked on crutches not in the abse kit, or pvp talents that enhance the base kit i see thatt as extremely bad design, and show little care went through the thought process, personal anectode again, but hey sue me, the power of Heartstop aura, chill streak, dark simu with covenant skills as Leox mentioned is apparent, but to me they are curses exactly what BoS is in our PvP setup, a skill that does not belong on the class period in it’s current iteration. And yes i know we -can- perform with Obliteration PoF window but if any opponent in a tight played situation cant see that and pop turtle, run away, Divine shield etc cant see that and we cant find another target it’s feast or famine, exactly like BoS (cough Voidform, but voidform was removed because that exact problem), i wont speak more about boS since this is pvp, i only wanted to compare the situation of non baseline crutches.

and C: I know Mez and flarkness are good people and good players, with good friends that understand exactly how the class functions, and what to do and what to bait, i can perform adequatly well in some situations if i get to focus and i am not to tired. believe you me i know i am a filthy casual and LFR hero, with communication problems and other annoyances thanks to a mental affliction called Autism and involuntary Tank in many Mythics because i dont want to sit for hours getting declined for 2’s and 3’s (not as blood mind you, buti have seen some comments about some deaths trike damage setups in low rating) mythic+ and raids, Mythic+ is remedied since i can indeed tank, at the cost for the mental health of my healer since i dont have the best tank leggo yet and blood is kinda spiky atm esp with low haste, also why you see more prot tanks in both pvp and pve, the class is fun, the gameplay is rewarding.

Which brings me to my point: Casual players be they chill dudes or wannabee hardcore people takes the path of least resistance unless you absolutely love the class and have played it through thick and thin for years, and for the past 4 years or so i have wondered why just DK and frost DK in general has had such a lousy design philosophy and history after mid cata (late legion was a legit good iteration, but we cant have that, Bfa fixed all taht good stuff, ty devs)… and the revelation that there is 2 dudes or less doing all the classes, and a Pvp dude might be tacked on aswell was a shock to learn of. SL so far has been a suprise, i expected BfA again but they are going to need alot more work to make things right, especially with the other games coming soon, heard something about RIOT making an MMo with Ghostcrawler at the helm or something.

I apologize for taking a walk again with my words off topic, but it’s hard to nail down all the grievances and angles that makes this class a rough ride. The high rollers that try and help people, Mez and flarkness are good people. But imagine if fate has appointend them another class in another separate timeline? “yeah dude We sub rogues are a blast to play, here’s how you can improve your play with this guide”, imagine them taking off the training weights so to speak? thats my poorly shown point…My gripe is not that we are garbage dumpster one trick ponies (because that was exactly what we was in BFA, Pve with boS… PvP with chillstreak)… in SL we have so much more. but everyone else also got so much more, so things have only marginally improved in my humble opinion.

Do not try and be content with the breadcrumb you got while others feast at the table, dont accept when when others beside you say that we are fine with our breadcrumbs while others eat cake because that guy might hope he will get the scraps of said cake if he plays along. rock the boat but not in a toxic way.

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The main problem for me is not that DK not TOP tier, but no1 wants to play with DK or take DK. I spend so many time in LFG to find RBG grps, its so frustrating tbh. Everyone need boomking and sub rogues. DK always had max 1 spot in RBG grp even in very good seasons, but nowdays with their state and others being busted its really sad. Idk, if thats will continues i think need to stop trying to do PvP.

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Best dk player bearly got 2.4 in 3s and 2s while playing with the best healers in ganes while other no names on other classes are already 2.6 its a 100% that dks need buffs and fast

this is handwaved away with the argument that “hey, atleast you can perform within those special conditions and setups with strong teammates that you can enable in a way”

Stop accepting this, faceless majority or influencer rock the boat, get the point across that we need a more in depth rework than Spriests got. Period.

This, especially when you dont really have any contacts to beg for carries.

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If you don’t like the class, don’t play it.
If you can’t do the damage you want with this class, don’t play it.
Nothing is stopping you from rerolling, and if people are able to push high m+ keys or do high end arena and you aren’t, clearly the class is not the problem

dude you dont know what are u talking about go get r1 with uh dk in pvp well goodluck you will never get there
go get 20keys with blood dk gl you will get one shot and die befor you know it only a casual player thinks like this dk is defently lackluster in many ways rightnow
SL was a big disapointment for us up untill now

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DK pretty bad atm. No mobility, garbage defenses, Deathstroke not ewen worth putting on action bar, cc ??? Chains of ice literally usles with all dashes and sprints other classes just run away. Lack of mobility in pvp and pve is truly frustrating in MAW you always last at the pack ewen all potions and maw speed buff up.

if your irl friend dont want to play in arena with you, you must change your friend not your classe bro, seriously!

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This.
I play DK alongside a friend, and I know painfully well that we’d have a way easier time if I was literally any other class. But we both think that playing together, and playing what we want to play, is more important than that.

I’m currently leveling other characters to see what my new main will be, but that’s because I myself choose it, not because of pressure from friends.

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