it comes with no surprise that i find DK yet again more squishy than my hunter
DK therothically should be good vs the current caster meta, but it isnt.
with spellwarden removal and reduced healing on DS and Low damage and pressure as unholy/frost
im finding casters ruining me as much as melee
ive tried multiple builds from the Dcoil build to the zombies, to u/a to Gargoyle, and my AMS and AMZ getting cracked within a global
ive tried frost remorseless/wyrm build, chillstreak and even breath lolā¦ there is no pressure at all, with recent nerfs to pillar im getting 80k-100k oblit strike, but the animation for oblit is so slow, takes a good 1 second animation to land oblit
- in comparison my hunter got 1800 fairly easy and hunters are considered squishy
anyone else finding it hard to even reach 1800 as dk ?
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Iām a noob when comes to PvP so I find really hard to get 1.8k on my main at the moment (DK; I have only reach Rival in Season 2 SL and mess around low cr. Iām currently 1.6k in SS).
Personally I think Unholy damage is ok but problem is that DK is not tanky enough against casters.
I donāt really know what Blizz could do to buff DKās defensive but needs to get some buffs.
Maybe buff AMS or buff DS.
Itās kinda weird that the class is not good enough against casters; if the meta would be physical damage I could understand but casters? Meh.
theres an issue when DH and Warrior and Ret pala have MORE magic defence
im just pointing out the issue
something is off with DK in current PvP, ( as much as people hate death grip )
feeling squishy as a DK vs a caster meta is terrible
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i agree dk feels terrible atm, ive saved myself some sanity n currently play my warrior instead. I think the fundamental issues of dk is that it still gets clapped by other melees n in solo shuffle we still see more melees than casters as they tend to do better in a chaotic enviroment. Simply put we just dont bring enough to the table to be relevant compared to say a warrior or ret pala. We are just niche. we do well against casters if we are paired with the right teammates, we get clapped by almost all physical damage dealers n our damage requires tons of globals n still isnt very impressive, in terms of preasure we are heavily outperformed by warriors who both deliver more deadly damage aswell as being more sticky. we simply lack identity atm where we arent great at anything.
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No, the other classes just need nerfs.
DK is having an identity crisis currently so nerfs wont solve that fundamental issue. For unholy especially blizzard doesnt seem to know what they want with the spec, is it a burst or a preasure spec? historically its been a preasure spec, in SL it was a 100% burst spec, then it had a brief moment in DF where it was a preasure spec again where the diseases actually dealt damage n now diseases tickle again n weĀ“re back to being some rag tag burst spec with no actual burst damage.
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From my experience its actually the opposite. You can deal somehow with caster, but you canāt tank Warriors for example.
Its also the damage that is simply not good enough. Its a lot of fake damage! The healing absorb that counts as damage even though its nothing else than a MS. Or diseases that are passively healed by anyone but ticking on a lot of targets. Pets that can easily be controlled by anyone with aoe roots and snares or which just get cleaved by specs like Feral, DH, etc. Or zombies that explodes after 3 seconds so basically everyone has enough time to simply move 3 steps to the side.
In other words you can tank for quite a while, while you simply dont create enough pressure to really stress someone. And that also makes it harder to survive obviously, because the dps can stick on you like glue.
The damage in raids seems to be top tier, but in PvP they are more like lapdogs.
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Against double Warrior matches is pretty hard, though I struggle more against decent Ferals; probably because low MMR so Warriors donāt really play exceptionally good.
I guess youāre kinda right about that.
For my 1.6k game I asked the group to go deep damp ācause the match was against boomie/lock/priest.
Compared to other melee DK is in a rough spot and Iām pretty sure none can deny that.
Like a poster said in this thread I think not even Blizzard knows what they want to do with the spec.
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These zombies seem to be v. annoying to fight against and do some damage
Any tips on how to actually play vs that build?
Iāve seen it twice and the DK just does absurd damage with them
Assuming you can no longer kill them with a wet fart anymore and have to walk out of the radius? Whichā¦I do try to do ofc
Idk what rating youāre playing at but down in the Bogwater I play at 1200-1500 mmr, It is without a doubt more caster heavy.
Nearly every game is a warlock or a boomkin or mage
Have reflex installed too
Melee can tunnel , but it doesnāt matter when you get PVEād down by a caster pumping absurd numbers from max range 
Ah yes, letās buff DKās, and then everyone can cry about DK having the best slow in the game and being unable to move against them, and every caster can cry about being completely countered by a class.
No thanks. This game is way more enjoyable when classes like DK and Warlocks arenāt running riot.
im am talking exclusively about a statistical point of view, not your personal experience. In regular coordinated 3Ā“s casters are way more played, in shuffle its still melee majority. Forum wont let me send links but look at drustvar - leaderboards - activity n you can track the last 3h / 24h / 74h n it tracks exactly how much each spec has been played in that timeframe.
We do see alot more casters than in season 1 though. There are occurances where theres 3-4 casters in a single lobby now though which was unheard of in S1 where it was almost exclusively 3 melees into 1 poor caster or 4 melees per lobby. The same also still applies though n its a lottery, sometimes you get into bad matchups.
I play at around 2k rating currently. As for the ācasters PvEingā, caster is always going to be harder to play than melee just due to the extra layers they have to take into consideration such as fakecasting, line of sight etc n its that exact reason that causes me to not enjoy it. IĀ“ve tried caster n i find it so unbearable in arena that you couldnt pay me to endure it.
Im currently playing fury warrior because its easy, does alot of damage and is far, far less frustrating to play. After trying caster back in season 1 and experiencing again n again tripple melees where they sat on me like gorilla glue i never touched a caster ever since inside arena. I can recommend trying caster or healer in shuffle, certainly widens the perspective of things. Its a game, i play it for entertainment not to get frustrated and angry.
People in WoW always has this delution that āwhatever im currently playing is hard, everything else is easy, im just that good at the game that i make this impossible to play spec workā n somehow they believe their own bs.
Some people actually enjoys playing dk, shocking i know. n even more shocking is that those of us who enjoys dk also wants it to be viable.
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Yeah, DK players. Crazy, ground breaking news - DK players want their class to be good. You are a true genius.
Nobody else is bothered when DK is bad because when itās good itās absolutely disgusting.
Ah yes, the revolutionary āi dont like your class so it should be crapā take, amazing. Truly a gloriously unbiased take with great wisdom, thank you for contributing to not just this topic itself, but to this great and fantastic community.
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You can definitely say that again 
Saw Tren practically 100-0 someone 20s into the game lolol
Fair enough though buddy on the rest of your post. Nice to say you are using Drustvar etc for the stats
I also enjoy melee more, just the playstyle of it , regardless of estimated difficulty. As caster I get too triggered and tilted cos of LoS, something that low rated melee donāt seem to quite understand, from my exp
I nearly got 1700 on Devoker before the Ret rework. I geared it in Shuffle and was half way through the season if not more, full geared+ tier and enchants at 1400. Was hillarious
Me in blues lol
Yep. Terribly designed class that is obnoxious to play against when it is good.
I wonder why itās only DK players that cry out for DK buffs and nobody else? Almost like DK isnāt a healthy class to have in a PvP meta 
Same could be said for many classes
Demo lock
Demon hunter
MM hunter
Rogue
What even is that comment? If itās in a really good spot, some people will always cry about it and demand nerfs and whine
Also
Enhancement Shamans said hello
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why? because people in this game as a rule only care about the class they play n share your exact mentality āevery class except mine is broken!ā āevery class except mine is faceroll, mine is rocket science but im just that good that i can make it workā, people in this game has the most obnoxious inferiority complexes iĀ“ve ever seen in an online community.
Just like we had ret palas in 10.07 defending their spec, besides in this community its easy to track what is crap n what is op since all we need to do is look at statistics, no one in this game has integrity, everyone rerolls fotm. Hell im not playing my dk at all currently. I hope you enjoy fury warriors more than you enjoy DKĀ“s because thats what im gonna be primarly playing this season.
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Bippity boppity opps he gon floppy
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