insert big yawn
TL;DR pretty much is -
If they want to remove addons like weakauras thatâs fine, but then they need simplify classes and encounters properly first. Right now, theyâre removing tools players need without fixing the reasons those tools exist.
Pretty much sums it up.
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I think itâs more along the lines of people under the misconception that add onâs do all the work for players.
The fact is they donât. The players still need to be alert to what is going on around them and need to be able to react to those warnings. Blizzardâs UI and warnings are⌠lacking. To say the least.
If they are serious about reducing the amount of combat add ons then they need to vastly improve their own set up or a lot of players are going to be very angry come Midnight, and the amount of people loudly crowing on the forum âHAH You guys who use add ons suck! Youâre about to be found out!â are vastly outnumbered by the people who use them.
And there seems to be a lot of one post accounts springing up to loudly cheer the abolotion of add ons yet never seem to stick around to debate their point.
Really is time for Bnet posting Blizzard.
Disclaimer. I donât play Mythic plus or high end raid but there a lot of people who do and are concerned about what will happen in Midnight.
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I think you fail to understand why people want addons and combat tracking options in the first place.
I totally respect your point of view but honestly you dont know what you are talking.
People dont want addons to make it easier or doable, we want them to make the game complex, therefore fun. And customize is very similar to building something. You never felt accomplished about building something of your own? This is a similar feeling.
Donât think Clique needs any access to the combat log to function so hopefully it will still live.
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Well, if you seriously believe that, then you clearly havenât followed the actual debate. Blizzâs whole argument for removing addons is that they had to constantly fight players and their addons that made the mechanics easier for players. Blizz had to make stuff more difficult because of addons - and while ppl using addons continued to play the game with their âsupport wheelsâ (simply coming up with more addons to help them), the rest of the player base who didnât use (those) addons was left with mechanically overloaded bosses and classes.
Now the devs have finally realized things canât go on like that. They design this game, not the players. Boss and class mechanics designed to work only if ppl have 3rd party software (addons) installed are unhealthy for the game. And thatâs also why classes are now getting pruned; to no longer be overwhelming without addons. Same will be done with boss mechanics.
And to all those whining about âbut the in-game notifications arenât good enoughâ: yeah, well - thatâs the frigging point. How about providing feedback about that instead of just using an addon to âfixâ it? Let the devs fix that. Itâs supposed to be their job to design a game thatâs in a playable state. So go and provide actually useful feedback for them instead of whining about losing addons.
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You dont know what is up with the doomsayers because you dont play any hard content. You are enabling these stupid changes with your ignorance.
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that guy just has no clue on what hes talking about i met these type of people on a very very regular basis in forums âŚ
hes consntantly focusing on the combat side of addons which i have already cleared up in the post that its ok that they are removing those but the main issue starts when they start cleaving other addons while doing that which is almost uncontrollable ( atm anyway ) , in combination with not adressing the real underlying problem with class designs which is buffs and debuffs , obviously its deeper than that but those are the big ticket items âŚ
allowing players to costumize theyâre own ui and experience is a big deal , im personally someone who uses 0 copied addons , i customize everything myself and i mean everything ⌠i make my own ui my own weakauras my own dbm timers everything .
with these changes im gonna be able to customize NOTHING . and i will be stuck with what ever blizz gives us which is at best an undercooked mcdonnald with brown fries .
i mean this whole situation is honestly nothing new , like not even remotely new , blizzard wants to try something new the community gives them the feedback wether they like it or not and they will procced to do it without paying attention to the potential consequences as a result of arrogancy and then they end uppaying ⌠what amazez me is how far they have been able to do this and still not face potential server shutdowns , i mean the playerbase is down bad all time low but still breathing thanks to classic and mop and remix etc âŚ
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Best thing to do is just slap them on ignore. Iâm almost certain itâs just some bored teenager that says things for a reaction/attention. Sad really.
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Thatâs the paradox of the whole thing though, players saying stuff like âComplex = funâ, but needing a bushel of add-ons to help them actually handle that complexity. (So yes, make it easier and doable)
Add-ons are the reason that complexity-creep got so out of hand in the first place, and thereâs no way to stop the arms-race than what Blizz is doing right now: Ripping the band-aid off in one go.
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You donât need other addons. I can assure you, the game is perfectly playable without them - and thatâs how the game is meant to be played; how the devs designed it. If something doesnât work there, they need our feedback and itâs their job to improve it. You folks are all panicking over nothing.
Nonsense.
Thereâs LOADS of people who donât use combat addons.
If nothing is replaced, then nothing is changing for them. Weird how that works huh? 
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Itâs very simple their solution 
- You have CDs or Buff you need to track ?
- Solution : remove the CDs ( or reduce amount of CDs ) , remove the buff
- You have too much buttons to press ?
- Solution : We remove a lot of skills and add some brainless passives
End Result : More approachable game !! ( read :easy and possibly boring, will have to see the end result for this ) !
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yes that was initially the plan for blizzard and the community response was not that bad , and im personally onboard with that i think its very stupid that each class you play has several buffs and random procs that you have to track and multiple different cds that dont even share cds with other but again ⌠when you look at alpha you see some signs of them figuring it out for example them combining certain talents and removing certain buttons but again at the end of the day its still not enough !
not to mention we havent even had the chance to get a look at how to raids and dungeons look like god knows what they are cooking there it could be worse , or atleast im betting on it being worse and more complex than they claim to be
I understand what you are saying and thats the whole raid boss debate(afaik). Raids needs addons to encounter some bosses, so Blizzard is getting rid of the information combat that makes that possible. The problem is, by getting rid of the information combat, they are oversimplifying classes - and customization. Thats at least my current thoughs, and i dont know how it couldnât be like that. Maybe blizzard develop new innovative combat systems that makes it all right, but it doesnât look like thatâs going to be the case.
Me for instance, dont play raid, iâve played sometimes but is not my thing. So, for me these changes are a total loss. Raids are going to change, but mythics i dont think so. It will only get simpler, and customization broken. And im sure a lot of players will feel the same.
Iâm in the middle tbh, if things become so simple that itâs boring, I wonât like it.
good post and very true, breaking addons is only half of the story so good that people like you with alpha access are capable of pointing this out
no game requires addons.
if the game needs addons to play it correctly. its a failed game.
ban all of them.
Complexity is fun for me. The problem is the UI and Telegraphing of the game. And thats why I use addons, not to reduce the complexity, but to have a better funnel of information. Yes different color nameplates for priority mobs and cast, since when the pack is huge gl trying to find your target on time. And yes sound queues for abilities/mechanics since again 15 mobs casting. That said I personally do not need the sound queue to be âdeffensiveeâ in order for me to use a deffensive, I just need something to tell me âhey mechanic is happeningâ.
These issues are not âcomplexityâ, theyvare 1000% telegraphing.
Oh and PS I tried to play Remix without addons. The personal resource bar is absolutely abysmal. No idea how people play with that instead of a WA.
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Jesus Christ, enough whit tgis stupid mantra. It IS a failed game, thats why we do not want addons to get banned. There are way too many issues at the moment with game that were fixed with addons, and Blizzard will notbe able to fix them all before they go nuclear. If its failed now, just wait and see how much lower we can actually go without addons.
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