People do content during the day. They are not in an “In Character” state.
Usually 8 realmtime people go In Character as whatever they are roleplaying. Guards for example.
However… not everyone HAS to roleplay at 8. They may wish to continue content and RP later. Maybe they will miss a day of RP if they don’t feel in the mood.
Just because people roleplay doesn’t mean they don’t do the rest of the content. I’ve stated over and over there are PvP heads in roleplay guilds. Folk get together and hit the raids. They get their gucci RP sets somehow.
Ahem. Technically speaking, that would be other way around: you said that you do not see [remember] it “therefore it is not there”. OMG. You’re just like your bad MP!
The intended use of a bottle is to drink from it but there’s no harm/nothing wrong in using it in other ways. Such as storing sea shells.
It’s debatable whether or not RP was intended as mandatory. And, more importantly, even if it was, it isn’t any longer.
That would be false. Your examples operate upon certain conditionals which, I have argued, simply aren’t found in our community. I then described what I think happens instead. If you claim your arguments are examples, mine are also.
I am glad you remember there were other people. You just dislike “the way” in which I am defending my points/criticizing yours.
I did and I can say it is incorrect. And I do if I think that often the presented evidence is incorrect or misrepresenting the situation.
This is a valid concern. The way I see it though, is that an experience doesn’t get the big picture by design. It still needs a framework upon which it operates.
Saying that I don’t think [these experiences] encapsulate the problem, that somehow they are incorrect, false or something similar doesn’t mean I am discrediting the people who had them - experiences are anecdotal and incomplete by definition. Re-framing them and making them work in a different way is absolutely fine.
Thinking that an experience being reported is incorrect is not the same as accusing them of lying - because that presupposes intention of spreading a false version of the events! - it might just mean they are incorrect. It might be that they are lying too. It depends from case to case, I suppose.
Another note. Bringing into a debate a personal experience in which you (or anyone else) felt vulnerable can sometimes be hurtful. If we aim for a truthful exchange of ideas and not just a generic acknowledgement of people’s bad experiences, then they have to be discussed too. If this isn’t a pleasant course for the people bringing up these experiences, I advise that they do not use them as an argument. Because they should be treated as one.
Well, I did provide my experience and rational arguments back then. Reactions were mixed of course - from meme(s) to mockery to good, rational arguments. Regardless of the success of my arguments, it is evidence that discussing rationally with bad faith actors (not necessarily you, but imo it is undeniable that quite some people on these forums are) is not going to get me anywhere and, if anything, will increase the trolls. So a more balanced approach is called for.
And you still don’t show anything of substance.
In the case of the MP, I easily called him out and showed evidence.
You should give it a go, and be less condescending whilst you’re at it. People’s attitudes towards you are based off yours to them.
This makes no sense and is a very poor analogy for the context.
lol you’re doing it again
Well… Funny thing is you’re wrong.
Also I have found plenty. The majority of this forum has found plenty. You’re either lying blatantly or you’re not looking! I encourage you to read the thread.
And you continue… And continue…
You should think about going into politics cause you’re able to drop all these words but say absolutely nothing.
Not going to really respond to a bunch of people or go from door to door but I will summarise my thoughts based on my own personal experiences with RP realms over the years, even on other games and in other communities.
I’ve been trolled a couple of times or had events disrupted, but these were only ever fleeting and more like a wet fart on the breeze.
Seeing people running around in the world, or like, in SW’s trade district has never been immersion breaking for me. All of these players are just props to me. I’ve walked through heavy OOC traffic with people while role-playing, and if anything, it does very little to hamper my immersion or experience. Majority of RP takes place away from places that receive a lot of PvE or PvP traffic.
What I have seen destroy role-playing communites are -
bandwagon jumping onto a different community realm
role-players quitting rp
people losing interest in the game and losing interest in in-game rp
the rise of other rp venues
role-playing community drama
when large guilds/communities collapse on themselves
‘RP is for nerds’ mentality is something my friends and I have always just kind of snorted at before moving on with our RP. It would be a very sad day if that attitude prevailed over that of an entire role-playing community to the point they vacated a server.
I understand the sentiment that it doesn’t make sense to join an RP server if you have no desire to RP, for sure, but I do think the ‘it destroys servers’ thing is entirely overblown, from someone that has been on multiple RP servers, on this game and other’s. edit; and from the perspective of someone who originally had zero initial interest in RP
In my mind, OOC players don’t even exist when I’m role-playing, lol.
There is good reason for that. Bringing evidence of old ends up as being regarded as inflammatory by other players. Instead of helping to move on it will often result in more uproar/grudges of old/new people complaining.
Also hey! It’s far from being nothing of substance: I’ve proven that your association is incorrect in my case and doesn’t apply to me.
Also. Why? Vixi acknowledged it is correct: there were other people that agreed with me, that non-RPers do not harm the server/this approach is unhealthy and harmful to our community, they just did not outright deny some people’s experiences in the way I did.
I think it’s more complex than that. Some people will be jerks regardless of my attitude but I do recall that you (for example) have been open to give me the benefit of the doubt. So far this thread hasn’t been very disrespectful either. So I could be less cold and snarky I suppose.
It is a perfect analogy for the argument you’ve given: that something is intended for a purpose is a vague point and by no means should be considered something binding for other people unless some sort of normative value is given.
For example. The argument you gave before is different. There’s a huge difference between saying that nonRPers should not be here because the intention of the server is to do X, and because they harm the server.
Well, it’s literally what I’ve written:
That’s an example. One could claim it is a bad one or it doesn’t encapsulate your concern, but it is undeniable that it is an example.
That’s another.
It’s a weird hill to discuss, tbh.
Saying “it is wrong” and then telling you why I think that is the case is not the same thing as simply saying it, y’know.
Is it some kind of fault? - yet here you are, continuing aswell.
You’re lucky in that and that your events only being trolled “a couple of times” will also have a direct effect on how you see things.
I’ve turned into a sour lemon -
Do they have anywhere to go now?
Also, OOCers taking up more and more space as populations shift definitely has a negative impact over time on many.
I won’t say that there aren’t other factors, that’d be asinine. But not everyone has the same capacity to ignore people’s presence as you or Athramus.
Unfortunately not. Well, unless we all start moving to private servers, which is a different can of worms. It’s surprising how many oldies have already made this jump but I do understand the appeal to a fully moderated role-playing experience in a large world that can even be physically customised.
As per the whole immersion thing, that’s definitely a person to person thing. Can’t disagree there in the slightest.
Moderation here would be fantastic.
If trolls and similar would be more reliably actioned, I think the animosity would simmer and people would be more comfortable.
I don’t think we should all subject ourselves to what “multiple people” think. A belief can be and will be wrong regardless of the number of people that ascribe to it. If their reasoning is wrong, its wrong regardless.
A fellow role-player right above has also offered a different opinion. Let’s stop pretending that this is such an outlandish and one-person take.
I am starting to think you’re upset because you can’t handle disagreement. You feel intimidated by debates, therefore you feel the urge to attack me.
It sure is easier than considering my points thoroughly.
I apparently must repeat that a person utterly uninterested in pvp joining a pvp server (when that was a thing) is contrary to design, intent and server theme and someone uninterested in RP coming to AD is exactly the same thing.
However, it can in fact be worse as the former example isn’t actively disruptive to the people using the server for its intended purpose whereas PvE OOCers speading to occupy RPing spots most certainly is.
Thank you, ever so much for this.
I did not intend to re-join this conversation, but as Woebloom’s point was made crystal clear by Ingnul, you do so for me now.
As I too, seem to share your mindset and ways to go about it.
I even dare say we might have had similar experiences, because of it.
It also please me to see that, credit are given regardless of ones standing in the conversation.
That is, after all what makes it a conversation and not meaningless bickering.
What we, the frequent posters have now, is what gives me so much hope and love for this community.
That you know, it is alright to disagree.
Because we will, and no one needs to be be-headed because of it.
This is the kind of AD, that I aspire to have if we don’t.
If we have it, then I want to maintain it.
And I’ve found, over many years, games and servers that people lose interest when RPing becomes an awkward, niche thing most people assume to be nothing but nerds and that it just equals trawling for cyber and that communities collapse from RPing being treated like something you ought to be ashamed of.
Already shrinking communities then wilt from isolation as they split up, be it due to drama between groups or out of control headcanon. If player housing is introduced, these groups shrink further as people stick to their own in safe instances, almost ashamed to RP in an open world overtaken by “normal” players. If not player housing, this means evacuating main cities in favour of more accomodating spots away from the PvE crowd.
So fewer people end up roleplaying and new arrivals find no one with whom to play, further isolated by the remnant sticking to third party forums and chat platforms to organise rather than ingame.
I’ve browsed, posted on and lurked these forums for a long time, but I have to say that these opinions are some of the absolute dumbest opinions I’ve ever seen on this webzone. They scream unbearable naivety but, they’re said with such confidence that I honestly can’t believe they came from a genuine person.
Like, there’s absolutely no way you believe that a community of ten roleplayers who are surrounded by one thousand non-rpers (on an RP server) is a healthy, thriving community or the mark of a good server. Absolutely no way.
You sound like amalgamation of opposite-opinions, opinions you hold simply because they’re the opposite opinion of people you loathe.