I am trying to correlate data about the state of my server, starting with guilds. because blizz dont release such data, i decided to use the guild finder option on a guildless toon. i will go into my results in a new thread at a later date, but i would like some help on a couple of things.
how are the guilds listed? they dont seem to follow any noticeable criteria, not creation date, most populated, most achievements, or alphabetically.
why are some guilds missing? i have found 956 guilds on the guild finder, but 2 guilds i talk with are not listed, and also going on
three of the horde guilds listed in the 25 ârealms most active guildsâ are not listed. including number 25 âWarcraftâ which according to armory has 962 members!!! how is such a guild missing from the list?
thusly, is there any way to find out how many other guilds are not listed, as i thought all guilds have to automatically âlist themselvesâ as part of the creating a new guild process. but obviously, this is not the case or something is broken. any blues help would be appreciated.
just looked on my own alliance guild, and in the recruitment settings, there is a tab to âunlist my guildâ, so this means its even harder to get accurate information on the number of guilds per server. thank you blizz -_-
it is a terrible mess yes, but it thes only real âresourceâ i think i can find for what guilds may be on a server. most of the 958 were 1 man banking or dead guilds, but there were 45 with over 100 toons. considering only 10 guilds here are doing BoD, and hence listed on wowprogress, i wouldnât have found these other 35 guilds that may be active, but not raiding.
The guilds listed are only from the realms connected to yours. The guilds you are talking to can be from a different realm.
I donât know how the whole joining a guild thing works in terms of different realms.
@Vintoleth: Listing is not compulsory and it is highly likely that most guilds actually do not. If you actually want to know, which guilds are ACTIVE on your server, you are in for a LOT of manual labour. Basically, the only way that I can think of is to run CensusPlus addon religiously all the time you play and then manually scouring the .lua file content for guild entries and making your own list with another program, maybe a suitable spread sheet one (Excel or similar), so you can arrange alphabetically with ease.
CensusPlus does have a limited guild listing function in itself, but as far as I recall, it only lists the top 50 (of each faction, because the scan is factionbound) by known experience. Of course⌠If your server has very tiny numbers of larger guilds, 50 from each side might be enough⌠Basically, run scans for a few days, then check the top 50 for both sides and if the 50th (or earlier) only has 1 member, you have at least a very close approximation of what you want. If 50th has 2 or more, you are basically out luck, barring the really brute force method I outlined above.
aye, i was going to take your advice from previous, but thought going through the guild finder would be a fairly straight forward, but accurate way of going. i didnât know that it was not mandatory. and i thought i would be able to get the closest to hard numbers ever outside blizzard staff
i have found 956 guilds with 24232 toons on Ghostlands/Dragonblight. i will add in the 4 guilds i know to be missing, and then leave it at that. thought thinking on it, i might run censusplus once or twice, just to see if any other guild names pop out. considering that only 10 guilds are doing BoD here, if there are any other large active guilds on this server they are:
a) not raiding
b) not advertising in guild finder
c) not active enough to show on wowrealmpopulation
d) not using Ghostlands/Dragonblight forums
e) not using trade or general chat to advertise
so there probably are not many players im missing that would be interested in what im doing. time will tell. ty for your assistance
@Vintoleth: I think, but this is my personal opinion only, that there are no LARGE, ACTIVE guilds that would fit all five criteria within your research area, so what you have done most likely already is quite accurate. About the only area that might âtripâ you would be, if there were extremely large guilds that have almost no active members. It is on another server, but I know one which has well over 200 characters in it⌠and only THREE active players at the moment.
I am not even sure mine is listed, but we never use the tool. It does indeed need some work. I think one of the original complaints is that you canât give a real description of your guild there. Most guilds have longer descriptions of what their guild stand for, and what their goal is. When you canât list the guild this way, you wonât be able to attract the correct people either, meaning the tool is only usefull for guilds that just want more members, and donât care what type of applicants they get.
Thatâs the curse of having so many addons. Blizzard can ignore the UI, and do.
When they make âimprovementsâ thatâs code for removing stuff.
New content is important but you also need to keep the supporting systems up to date.
A good real life example: The National Health Service (in England, mainly) use(d) Windows XP computers. When that ransomware hit the other year it hit them quite bad. It probably caused deaths. A recent story being reported is that they still use fax machines and pagers.
They didnât invest in infrastructure. Whatâs better headlines: recruiting x numbers of nurses and doctors or upgrading your computers.
Thatâs how I feel Blizzard has treated everything but content.
im not sure about pagers, but i can confirm fax is used almost universally. and also that most if not all machines are on xp. even still now. maybe in bigger areas than i have access to, like london or manchester pagers are used.
you would not believe some of the stuff used in the nhs which is hidden away from would be onlookers. like you said,
