This was also not something that existed originally, but we had to shout loud enough to get it, specifically for the sake of roleplaying.
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Very true. The introduction of sharding to manage server loads damn near killed our ability to use our server for its intended purpose. Thereâs no way to carry a conversation when the other person is likely to vanish randomly and forget forming a crowd for a speech or a celebrationâŚ
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I would never agree that any of the above was acceptable behaviour, but what I am saying is that not all players will behave in such a way.
I am saying that we shouldnât tar everybody with the same brush.
I would even go so far as to say that malicious disruption and trolling should merit strict punishments for such players and that they are restricted from ever again rolling a character on a RP realm.
This does not change my view though from my original post.
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I am aware, it was more an explaination to why many of us are more defensive about it or cautious. Thereâs been -alot- of bad outweighing the others.
Very much agree, the problem we have right now though, is Blizzardâs reluctancy to even act at all currently. Even on things that is very specficially said to be something they will do.
A lot of people are over-complaining.
These days reading an ooc /yell is a sufficient reason to complain for several minutes as that is considered harassment rather than the equivalent of reading an ooc comment on the /g chat.
The lack of rationality and the tendency to condemn and complain rather than frame the issue makes it really hard to have a conversation (and paint some people in a friendly light).
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Their talking [redacted] about this thread in AD forums.
Basically if you have no intention to RP GT[r]O.
And i agree
I disagree, sure, people are more vocal, but itâs a build-up of having the same thing for years just escalate and people being even more disruptive and in your face with being so, as weâve discussed before.
OOC yells are disruptive though, and these days if weâre focusing on that, they are mostly spams of various sexual innuendos, slurs and racist remarks for the âmemesâ. It is very common, and not acceptable on any server with that language, let alone on a roleplay one.
Itâs quite diffrent from talking in g-chat.
Some people can be overly harsh true, I can be as well, but I think youâve also been under-stating alot of it in many past discussions, which doesnât really help. The discussion doesnt turn better because you label peopleâs stories as unbelievable or dismiss them outright.
Instead, take them at face value and if you donât trust it, have a conversaion about it rather than just proclaim it dismissable right away, it gets a little condesending sometimes and just also makes conversations harder much as someone who is being overly condemning is.
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Thats what these forums are made for.
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One enables twenty who enable a hundred. This is made worse when a popular youtuber or streamer pull their gaggle our way on a bit of tourism to laugh at the RP monkeys, mock, meme and upload the experience for monetized clicks and ad revenue.
This leads to hordes of OOCers trashing us for days at a time and the responsible parties arenât punished even when they actually crash the server with their nonsense.
RPers are a very low priority demographic.
Because an OOC /yell is to use the /s channel for something it isnât intended for. On a RP server, itâs for RP and nothing else and you doing a /y about the state of politics in Slovenia is actually being disruptive and breaking rulesâŚ
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In my post I didnât in any way condone the behaviours you describe above, in my reply to Vixi that followed I did say that strict punishments should be administered to those that behave in such a way.
I am not arguing with what you say Levey or the problems you and others have raised. What I did disagree with if you read my original and subsequent posts is the belief that every player is rolling on a RP realm for the purpose of trolling and/or griefing, this is not the case 
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They may not be but their very presence encourages and enables those who do. They find a tolerant if not outright friendly environment and a solid base of OOCers from which they can launch their disruption. Often without even understanding why itâs even wrong.
And thatâs why we must fight it.
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This is an highly formal sentence that kinda highlights what I said.
Besides, do you even have an explicit rule/statement that enforces such a rule? Because to my knowledge this rule has been removed more than ten years ago and youâre spreading misinformation right now.
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While you are right that the ruleset has been removed from the site
It could fall under griefing if the intent is to disrupt
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Speaking about Argent Dawn only, the only time people who doesnât roleplay use /yell it has so far been soley to disrupt, and often vulgar and straight up inappropriate language.
Iâve never seen it used otherwise by non-roleplayers.
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General, /s or /y is not your guild chat and you should be discouraged from treating it as such. Especially on a RP realm.
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The average non-roleplayer on RP servers uses general or trade to casually chat with others. /say and /yell is pretty much only exclusivly used to deliberatly disrupt or be inappropriate.
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Youâre just taking a ridiculously hard stance, itâs not a realistic demand.
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those were the old rules and the latter part is actually social rule where you donât talk about real life in a RP hub and if you do someone will call you out for it?
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Absolutely false, and a statement made by someone who dislikes RP. Would you take the advice of someone with that Guild name on one of the two Classic RP Realms. Yeah, I bet you went there for the RP, sure?
Anyone and everyone is most certainly -not- welcome to Argent Dawn, because âAnyone and Everyoneâ includes people who like to disrupt RP, who are patently not welcome.
To be honest, I know some people who donât even interact with people if theyâre not maxed level (Which I find an incredibly snobbish idea, and actually bad roleplay in itself, I mean how could you -see- someoneâs level by looking at them?), so I donât actually use Add-onâs as an indicator as to whether someone is worth RPâing with, I mean I agree, its an extremely good indicator if they have one, but if theyâre new, like you say, they might not know about it.
Check later posts here, other people had exactly the same experience, it isnât just me.
Because as you say, they might have been new, and not known about Add-Ons, I certainly didnât when I started RP on Wow.
Because it is normalising the idea that you donât have to RP on RP realms, which isâŚnot the attitude we need to be fostering. If theyâre AFK then you can generally tell, as after a short while their character will sit and it will say over their heads that they are afk, and thats like âOK Cool, theyâve gone to get a sandwich, or are just doing -something else- so there is no point trying to RP with them yet.â
Unfortunately with that specific example, the members of said guild who had come with good intentions not to disrupt RP (Which they held to at the start) started to find the antics of the ones who did to be amusing, so in the end they were all doing it, yes. You donât have to believe me on this, but I could name the Guild and anyone who was also on Shaâtar would go âYeah, I remember thatâ. Iâm not going to, in case that Guild is still around, because Naming and Shaming is against the CoC, but that is what happened.
I have quite plainly said several times that my words are Empirical evidence in nature. Empirical literally means âThese are things I have personally experienced, I do not have facts to back them up, but these are my own observationsâ
To be honest, in an ideal world, people would do their homework (I say Homework, it would take a click of google) and go âOh, thats what an RP realm is? Nah, not for meâ or âOh, thats what an RP realm is, Iâm quite interested in giving that a whirlâ PvP isnât my bag, so when they existed, I would never have rolled a character on a PvP dedicated realm. I really donât think it is too much to expect of people to go âSo what sort of realm is that then?â, and read the description.
Itâs kind of like going to a LARP event where everyone else is in their costume and armour and carrying swords and youâre mooching about in a Metallica T-Shirt and trackie bottoms. Why would you? You donât belong there, no one will take you seriously, and you are detracting from the game. Just because you went âOh, a weekend event, it must be like Glastonbury or somethingâ without checking first.
Not really. This is a conversation over a forum where I can explain it, to someone who has by their own words, played on an RP realm, if this had been an in game encounter, I would have solicitously /whispered you and went âThis is an RP realm, are you new here? I can give you some pointers if you like? to help you enjoy the realm a bit more and save you some hassle?â
I would never tell anyone to leave the server, unless they were a disruptive presence, but if someone says âIâm going to roll on an RP Server but I have zero interest in RPâ then yeah, I will be like âPlease donât, you have so many other servers to choose from, and weâre trying to keep this one for its intended purposeâ.
Which in fairness, I do not think is the wrong stance to take.
That needs to start up againâŚI think there is a new Tauren RP community, and I do have a TaurenâŚI might put out some feelersâŚ
No, that is a valid point, and I do apologise.
Yeah, thats a different kind of scenario, than someone who just rocks up with no intention at all of Roleplaying. If someone has given RP a whirl and finds its really not their bag, they will at least have learned the basics, so if approached can just be a taciturn laconic type of few words, absent themselves from the conversation, and carry on their gaming. At least they tried, yâknow?
I bet theyâre a joy to roleplay with, Theyâre probably causing a stink over here as we speakâŚ
As I said above, its personal experience. I didnât -start- on AD, in fact I started on DMF, then Shaâtar, and only moved to AD in Cata I think it was. I have fond memories of my time on Shaâtar as a member of âThe Spineâ on Horde and âLightswornâ on Alliance, for sure, the War in Arathi was brilliant as an Rppvp event, if -only- weâd have had Elixir of Tongues back then it would have been even better!
Iâd genuinely be interested in knowing where RP is still going on in the other Realms, for when I fancy a bit of a change from my usual characters.
That I take umbrage with however. There is a difference between passive and active, and also the assumption that what goes on in Goldshire is even Roleplay! Itâs Cybering, plain and simple, and not RP, The Roleplay aspects donât matter to those miscreants, they are not important to them, nor is there any level of character depth (Pun not intended:P ) Theyâre just there for the smut. Itâs like trying to compare someone reading Dostayevsky to someone reading âRazzleâ (A British Grumble MagâŚactually, I may be showing my age there, I donât know if it even still exists).
Anyway, the point I was initially making to the OP was âIf you donât have intent to RP, donât come here, there are better realms for youâ Which I still stand by as a point. Suddenly everyone disagrees with that. Well, Sorry, Iâve seen where that attitude leads, and I disagree.
I wonât quote the whole thing, but that is an interesting -idea- but Iâm not certain they would be able to implement it, it would also cut out a lot of random RP you get when travelling between places. If they could work out a practical way of doing it, that would be a quite interesting idea, yes.
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Maybe as a default for RP realms that you click to disable when OOC. The OOC/Not RPing button then phases you out, bothering no one. Warmode for RP would probably just have the opposite effect and discourage it from being the norm.
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