Between having access to Karma, Dampen, Diffuse, Fortify, Self healing, Teleport, Disarm, Turbo Fist seems abit more?
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I dont rly know, the lobby usually ends cuz the ww randomly oneshotts someone during one of his goes before i get to see a windwalkerâs fourth or fifth immunity/defensive pressed
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Yes they have all now, mobility, tanky, sustain, burst, enough cc to setup his go if his not inted on stun dr by someone.
Their diffuse is like icing on the cake on top of everything else it has when they glue to some caster with their uptime and high sustain with overtuned burst.
For many many years WW monk was considered one of the easiest specs to kill. People were rofling about killing WW through all defensives.
Then one day, based on data and feedback, blizzard decided to buff defensives by 5-10%.
This resulted in monks suddenly becoming tank gods in pvp.
But together we can figure out how we can fix it.
I have few propositions:
Replace 4 min CD fortifying brew with 1 min CD barkskin usable in stuns.
Replace dumpen harm with no CD bear form + frenzied regeneration.
Replace diffuse magic (which noone uses) with survival instincts (50% all damage reduction)
I guess karma is fine since everyone just ignores it and still kills through it. But it can be replaced with auto frenzied regeneration when low health working in CC.
I can also mirror monk defensives with other leather classes like dh or rogue.
PS: When I see a WW in a BG (happens once in few weeks, I guess because its too strong), I know for sure that I will one tap his *ss everytime I connect to him. Maybe WW just hard counters WW, I dont know.
This is not the bg section
I understand now and apologize. I wasnât aware that itâs strictly prohibited to mention BGs in arena forums, even as a supplementary phrase when itâs not the primary point of discussion.
Nope. WW survability isnât broken in the levels of DH/War/Locks, etc. Iâd say their damage profile is a much bigger issue, but beyond that WWâs are actually killable and need to be careful and skillful to survive (unlike the aforementioned)
i love how they remove Spellwarden from DK⊠and then give monk this stuff
- poor Dkâs
DKs have AMS sitting on a very low CD, providing a big absorb AND magic immunity. Spellwarden on top of it is simply riddiculous, especially considering they have other defensives as well (like AMZ and Fortitude) and a lot of self heal
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ahh right⊠thats why Frost DK is sub 0.3% on player representation all season and to this day is still THE LEAST played spec in the game for pvp ON PAR with some tank specs
no worries ⊠at least we have unholy spec 
saying Defence and DK in the same sentence is laughable, we are inherently squishy, only reason Unholy is good is because of the damage
rework for dk will be soon, i hope.
And then Unholy DK is second best represented spec in the game, soon to overtake Havoc. Poor DKs
DK has a lot of densives against casters. IDK what youâre moaning about. On a melee meta, UDK being second in representation, on a ladder topped by melee specs is enough proof UDKs donât struggle right now
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frost dk. frost dk my friend
and you mentioned Defence being somewhat âgoodâ for dk . its not. not even for unholy
the only reason unholy is good is because of its busted damage and scaling with wounds and pets
defence is poor on dk across both specs
Your trying educate ppl who doesnt have single take or post on forum that make sense, but anyway i dont think overtuned ww or its bloated defensives have anything to do with dks in any case. These are not the smartest people, most of the time I just try ignore them, like when they are claiming that rogues are only classes with cc in the game or that instead of giving armor penetration similar to expose weakness for mm they would rather suggest magical bullets âfueled with mage tearsâ so instead of trying give ideas that would make sense and game more balanced they rather troll or say something just stupid. Its waste of time talk to them.
Dk is op and all but my 200k absorb ams for 4 seconds is not why dk is op
Overall unholy dk defense is bad.
But they gave us constant crazy big pumb dmg to compensate for bad def so its balanced.
If we receive some defensive buffs dmg need to go down.
Oh I am not interested on dk defensives nor think dks are bad, I am sorry if some got impression of anything else. I only reply to this post as advice to Dumbledore to not waste his time talk to ppl who doesnt post anything that makes sense in first place. Also as reminder the post is about ww defensives, which are now so bloated that they brawl like fury warriors instead of how they are meant to play.
Iâm not saying thatâs what makes DK OP. Iâm saying from my perspective, it makes no sense that AMS is an absorb and an immunity combined, and I canât dispel it, and canât deal enough damage to it due to the magic immunity component immuning most of my damage toolkit, and my whole CC toolkit. Itâs like an undispellable pala bubble sitting on a less than 1 min cd. The absorb effect is strong enough. Immunity is senseless
its anti magic, yo
You have dispersion free death avoid card. all other classes have some complete immunity talent.
Only dk dont have complete immunity talent
Ams can be breaked easily and its only magic dmg absorb.
I would trade ams for 100%parry or blur anytime
You have Icebound. You have AMZ. You have AMS with a hefty absorb, sitting on low cd. You have a lot of heal embedded into your attacks. You have access to fear immunity. Magic Immunity component on AMS makes no sense to exist when itâs already a huge absorb. What am I supposed to do while AMS is up? Break it with my 18K hitting 7 sec CD Mind Blasts, since itâs the only ability thatâs not immuned?