Don't merge realms of different languages!

Dude…

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@Ishayoe: Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but as you can see from those values, you need more people to both sides…

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You could probably just link a google doc since you have TL3 by virtue of being green :smiley:

Frostmane alone wasn’t this low before.

I made a comment waaaaay back about merging slowly and creating a proverbial graveyard in the process.

This is what I meant.

@Ishayoe: I am sorry… :frowning::cry:

My scans have only detected a total of 1 415 alliance on Frostmane over multiple days and 261 horde. For Grim Batol numbers are 901 and 551, respectively. And as Aggra has not been fixed, it has no values on WCR, but there are some there naturally as well. Of course, those numbers are just a few hours worth of coverage, but still… :(:(:frowning:

Very, very interesting numbers and discussions there, so basically the realm has, close to peak time, around 1.437 total people + obviously a few more like you said, the under 20s and the ones going over 50, I know that based on our doomhammer discussion you want realms to have a bit more people, but IMO this is somewhat decent, there’s really plenty of realms worse off at this time, you know those first german connections blizzard managed to do in 2020, as in aman’thul with anub’arak and nefarian with ulduar?

I’m not sure if it was already peak time, I believe around 19, and I found 650 people on a faction with the other faction being very similar, those realms were high just after being connected and now went down to medium.

As you can see, if 1.300-1.500 people are too few, blizzard will NEVER finish the connection program before the expansion ends!

Also about blackmoore, I think on your post you focused on saying that even just alliance blackmoore easily beats the frostmane connected group on alliance side, but let’s not forget blackmoore is actually slightly horde dominant, if you can find 1.663 people at peak on alliance I wouldn’t be surprised if you found 1.800 or even 2k on horde, adding lordaeron didn’t increase values much ofc, but blackmoore is one of the top 10 realms eu, I’m thinking the comparison might be excessive, as in that blizzard might not want this level of activity on the majority of realms.

I agree on frostmane part, it seems to have had a graveyard effect, as in that a scan you posted already had similar alliance numbers as the 3-way now, keep in mind numbers usually go up slightly if you check at 21 rather than 18.30, but not huge difference.

As pointed out to trelw too, you might feel 1.450 people or so is too low on the whole realm, but you have to consider the whole situation in eu too: there are realms that are far worse off, just as an example when I checked emerald dream, which before these connections was even marked as medium, unsure if it dipped low yet, I found 200 people at peak on horde where I play, it’s ally dominant but that still means max 600-700 people on the whole realm, and many, many realms are like this, so many marked low still in the english language.

So I’m not saying you will necessarily not be connected again, but I think blizzard has higher priorities now, they only have 1,5 months before the end of the expansion and probably want to “fix” all realms that never go over 1.000 people.

As to your point about aggra not being connected with anyone, you’ll see that if it’s too low now (even with a few people who left) blizzard considered it far too low to not be connected to anyone, mixing languages is never a good idea ofc but it seems some communities weren’t large enough as a standalone, so they “needed” english speaking realms added to them, another example is the finnish stormreaver, will be connected for sure.

They even connected the polish burning legion as you might’ve seen, which is baffling, cause realms like that could’ve survived alone too, and there’s risk they might connect the czech burning blade, which has similar size as legion, to someone too.

@Esploratore: While severely suboptimal at several places, the following future is theorhetically possible:

Italian, 1 connection.

Spanish, 2 more connections (some variations are available, have not checked them all).

German RP, finished. German normal, only 8 more (about 12 is more likely).

French RP, 1 connection. French normal, only 3 more (about 6 is more likely).

English RP, 1 connection.

All of the above could finish in two weeks (the minimum variant) or three (the slighly expanded variant).

That would then only leave the remaining English normal realms.

The absolute minimum effort version would be only 8-9 more connections… Which could be pushed in a week.

In short, if Blizzard wants to do a suboptimal job, they could be done by the end of the month. I am naturally hoping for a much better program. :slight_smile:

That feels very suboptimal and dont forget there are russian servers too (which i know you dont track, but to even do the bare minimum necessarry to get rid of the absolutely lowest population realms i would say at least 4 connections still need to be made.)

One thing i will note is that blizzard is once again trying a very unique connection in Korea today where they are adding Hellscream + the Cenarius cluster all to the Zul’jin cluster all in 1 maintenance session. We will see tonight if they can successfully manage that.

@Jånek: I did say I am hoping for a much better program. I just wanted to point out that finishing a minimum effort program would not take much longer.

That sounds challenging, but you did note that many Korean realms are very small. Maybe they still do it in two parts, but just cram two rounds into one go.

could very well be that they just do it back to back without bringing the realms up between connections, but if they do it and its successful, that could raise options elsewhere regardless of realm size. it is true that they are small, but all 3 of those servers are still about the size of Ambossar to give an EU comparative.

its also proving why so few people are raiding. since overall there are barely any players.

so in the end - expect even more merges to that cluster in next 2-3 months .

So, are we gonna keep ignoring the timing of it all?

We’re in the last few months/weeks of an expansion, that’s exactly the time that a significant portion of the player base stops playing until the new pre-patch/expansion hits.

Keeping comparing inaccurate numbers (only Blizzard knows the real ones (and Aggra isn’t even counted because the 3rd parties systems can’t handle Portugu’ê’s)), with the numbers of months ago, peek new patch time, seems a bit disingenuous.

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It’s near impossible to get accurate numbers and it seems like blizzard in intent on keeping it that way considering they have broken many of the methods people have used to gather data in the past (Census pro in classic and the AH api in retail)

In the end what were left with is log data which has major flaws to since not all players do end-game group content and even then its often not very up to date because people do faction/name/realm transfers all the time and this can skew the data as its not easy to update.

Most services that track players that way have no issue with Aggra’s name, its just the census addons that rely on /who scans it seems, and even that method of data collection has major flaws since 1.) it is possible there is more than 50 chars of the same race/class/level, and then they wouldn’t be counted, and 2. to get an accurate representation of any given time you would need to run it on every realm & faction at the same time since player populations shift with time, and that certainly will never happen.

You just have to accept that blizzard doesn’t truly want you to know how many people are actually playing at any given time, and keep that in mind when you look at any numbers no matter the source.

I’ve read this thread with interest and I have a question maybe one of you can answer? I’m on Defias and we can see Argent Dawn players in the current content. How does this work when we’re not connected with AD? That is, we appear to be connected somehow in the current expansion zones.

Fine. If they want to merge Aggra, remove the Portuguese tag. I’m not going to compromise on this point - a realm should not have two official languages at once.

I haven’t heard that any 3rd party sites are having problems with the ê. It’s part of extended ASCII and of course unicode. Also, if this was indeed the problem, it wouldn’t be cut off after “Aggr” would it? I think it’s a Blizzard API bug. Maybe someone tried to delete the Português word and accidentally deleted a character too many, idk.

Anyway, of course the timing cannot be ignored, but at the same time you’d expect similar dips in other realms. And we are seeing dips, but they’re not as large.

This is Cross-Realm Zones, or CRZ. This is a system that goes into play when there are too few players in a zone - it starts pulling people in from other realms.

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RP realms in the same datacentre cluster are connected in current expansion zones, once prepatch rolls around I would expect this to change, and we will only be crossrealmed in shadowlands zones then.

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Do it.

It’s a relic from bygone times. It’s been a hassle for a long time and a beacon for discrimination in pugs.

PS: There was a population website, don’t remember the name, that I visited and when I clicked on Aggra it gave me an error page. Just Aggra, because the name has ( ) and ê in it.

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It’s friggin’ sad though… :confused:

For all intents and purposes, there appears to be 16 very competent raiding guilds on the server, so I’m not really sure why it’s so small…

But yeah… don’t merge realms of different languages and, if you abso-abso-absolutely have to, change their languages to be the same and provide an apologetic reasoning…

its because all realms are in cross-realm system .

servers will be soon thing of past anyway. and perhaps blizzard is already slowly moving in this directions.

notice how big those clusters are in US. they aim at +/- 8-way connections as final product . and who knows if they wont connect it into 16-way later on .

so far anything is pure speculations. what matters is that its still ongoing process - from looks of things far from finish.

i gotta say it would be much better if they made Q&A regarding those merges - to let people what is their final aim .