There are undead in the Kirin Tor, they’re not on the list. Seems a bit faulty.
Also
“Mages and various specialisations” so not just mages too.
Stop being obtuse.
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Krogon shuffles the goal post ever so subtly
it’s literally an in-game item that you can find in the Forbidden reach…?
What a strange way of posting “GOTCHA!” by only reading the URL and not even go as far as to check the contents.
It’s also an extremely strange attempt at gatekeeping. Where were you when someone wanted to RP a battlemage on this forum and people started making these horrid suggestions of playing a Death Knight to portray one. I guess you were meant to avidly post this same spiel there too.
And for the love of God it’s Headcanon. Not a head cannon. You can even read the posters here writing it correctly.
It was even in my initial post.
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I mean, you both complained about Headcannon then linked a fan built website, billing it as a relaible source.
So it’s not reliable? I’d rather be obtuse and aim for an established net than kick balls widely in to the ether and hope they land somewhere.
Nice that you know my old mains name? I don’t know who you are.
You’ve both recited a faulty source and provided no examples of Kirin Tor Dracthyr.
One day there probably will be Dracthyr mages, tangible playable ones. And good on folks who do play them. Exploring niche areas of RP and new concepts.
But not yet.
You moved the goal posts again, you were talking about dracthyr mages. Which exist.
How is a website quoting an ingame item verbatim faulty?
Are you dense?
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You both may want to read the thread title and go have a quiet cuppa somewhere.
Can’t tell if you’re vagueposting out of stupidity or just to troll tbh
Read the title. Think the idea is fine.
However, when you’re arguing specific points, you need to maintain that train of thought rather than jumping around between them.
You said dracthyr mages don’t exist. They do.
The Kirin Tor is largely a Mage centred organisation but various scholars exist within of a non mage persuasion. Dracthyr may not be shown within yet, but there is no reason they’d be excluded.
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It’s also the one race that I can more readily accept as a mage or a member of the Kirin Tor than most of the new race/class combos at the start of Dragonflight.
A Dracthyr, evoker or not, who has an innate connection to the Arcane (both the actual cosmic force as well as chronomancy) would be a prime candidate to be studie- I mean to study how mortals have fared with these schools of magic and add their own approach and knowledge where it is appropriate.
Even the Timewalkers, who were some weird mortal/dragon subfaction in the past, took on Dracthyr because of their connection to the Bronze Dragonflight. Why would the Kirin Tor reject them?
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All that needed to be said tbh.
Hruroth is just trying to gatekeep people from idk actually finding a niche but fun thing to do that isn’t entirely against what is plausible from what we see in-game with the various Drachtyr NPCs.
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I feel that despite there being no lore-based Dracthyr in the Kirin’Tor at the moment, it really boils down to:
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Can Dracthyr be anything else than an evoker IC? The answer being yes.
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Is the main goal of roleplay having fun for the people involved, even if that does require some plausible headcanon? I think the answer is yes again.
Toys/trinkets/flasks can provide plenty of cool spellstuff for roleplay to fill in those gaps. So it isn’t too difficult to portray neither.
I see this a bit like how gnome priests have to fill in their own headcanon, choosing between a more typical medic type or actual devotion to the Light. Either way is generally accepted on this server too.
That being said. The dracthyr have been asleep for so long they’re basically like toothy toddlers in a new world. Some settle to be gardeners or craftsman but they will likely have to work their way up. I don’t think a dracthyr gets to be a super-duper archmage on week two but apprenticeship to see how it goes? Yeah totes.
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The scrolls that let you cast fake spells on other players are really handy for portraying mages/shamans.
Which is an extremely strange position to take given how wild the Dalaran community gets with headcanon, such as accepting Uldum refugee cosmic dragon demigods into their midst.
But a Dracthyr? Oh no, that’s too far.
Personally, I don’t see why not.
Dracthyr spend their time as anything from chefs to Timewalkers, assassins to Hearthstone players. If a Dracthyr was to be particularly talented with arcane magic rather that that of other dragonflights, I can think of no good reason why they couldn’t become a Kirin Tor apprentice.
Honestly, the Kirin Tor is huge these days. They got an entire expedition launched on the dragon isles, no doubt they’d recruit any talented dracthyr that would end up aiding them on the way. They have a lot in common.
Though if one is wary of utilizing too much headcanon and make it official, you could always make them a direct ally of the Kirin Tor instead. Something like the understudy of a Kirin Tor member, or a very involved and appreciated scholar.
Also, it’s worth noting that these websites typically have their sources linked. If you read something that doesn’t quite add up to you, you’re encouraged to click those links to confirm it yourself. It’s considered common knowledge to utilize Wikipedia and similar pages in this way to ensure you’re properly informed on the internet.
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That could indeed be another way of going about it. The Kirin Tor certainly seem quite welcome at Algeth’ar Academy, despite historically having been a dragons-only place of higher learning.
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The whole “all dracthyr are evokers” is a weird hill to die on when almost every patch of Dragonflight has expanded what classes can be played by what races.
Pre-prepatch: Everyone gets Mage, Priest and Rogue. Highmountain tauren can finally be a cloth class.
Patch 10.0.7 - Worgen, Lightforged Draenei and Goblins all get to be monks.
Patch 10.1.5 - All races get to be warlocks.
While yes, currently the only playable class for dracthyr is evoker, there is nothing to say they can’t be other classes canonically. They can use two handed swords, why can’t they swing them ad be warriors? They can wield powers of the various dragonflights, so why can’t they cast spells typically associated with magi, or shamans? And it’s hardly a reach to say they may get more playable classes in the future when Blizzard have acknowledged the possibility in the past.
This doesn’t even look at the fact that we as RPers cannot be tailors, tinkers, engineers, alchemists, etc because “they’re not playable classes” - sorry, if you’re a non-combatant, your character is now wholly invalidated.
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If it makes sense then I’d say go for it, Dracthyr mages/Dracthyr in the Kirin Tor IS likely doable, simple question is WHY your Dracthyr would want to be with the Kirin Tor.
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I can think of one:
To look at how magic is performed from a different perspective
Most dracthyr would of known magic of the world before the Sundering, so they would need some catching up now the well imploded.
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I RP a Night Elf, male, Watcher trainee, so I wont be be the one to tell somebody they cannot RP a Drakthyr Kirin Tor apprentice.
All in all, I do not belief this to be such an outlandish concept either, anyway! So I don’t see a problem with it.
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