I’m tired of people like you who keep dismissing feedback because you don’t like hearing it. Daddy blizzard isn’t going to head pat you for defending bad gameplay.
‘‘It’s just expansion reveal, wait for alpha.’’
‘‘It’s just alpha, wait for beta.’’
‘‘It’s just beta, wait for launch.’’
‘‘It’s just launch, wait for x.1’’
‘‘It’s just x.1, wait for x.2’’
‘‘It’s just x.2, wait for x.3’’
‘‘It’s just x.3, wait for next expansion reveal.’’
I’m using circle for Necro, I like to multi-bleed, it’s pretty strong. I’ve been playing draught all expansion, while very strong, at the moment I prefer circle.
Everyone loses fleshcraft, it’s a non issue. Losing stuff happened every expansion, at least we keep our spec specific abilities. I still have my baseline berserk with this build, and I gained another effect to it.
Tiger’s fury, and this is pure speculation since I can’t test it, I’m not sure that I would miss it. You would use Tiger’s fury from stealth, which means the energy increase effect is wasted anyway. It might have an impact when it comes off cd again, but at the moment, I’m not sure if it really would matter this much.
Losing hibernate is a downer, aswell as incap roar, however I think being more durable with the healing spells gained, I have gained something powerfull in it’s place.
You have chosen to go for draught, and that’s the beauty of all of this. Many choices. I could even go for draught and circle at the same time.
edit: I also never thought that we would keep fleshcraft in the first place, for me it’s a non issue. I can understand that people don’t like that though. But since it will be gone for all classes, I think it’s a good thing.
Is your feedback more important than the feedback from other people?
and always after a statement like the happiness one, we have a statement like yours about wait for…
tiring and obvious.
and we havent still the date of ptr. i cant imagine after that.
No, it’s not.
Yes, you lost utility and got some damage. That will get tunned anyway.
But lack of utility isn’t really tunnable. Look at tournament. Does Rogue do more damage than other classes? No. But it has way more utility.
Utility is good & fun. Losing it feels bad.
It competing against damage mostly equals to losing it.
Than feedback from other in form of “wait before it releases”?
Yes.
Yes, and you have posted your Feedback on the Discussion forums. So I am discussing the Feedback. If you don’t want people to discuss the feedback, then post in the Feedback section of the Support Tab in-game.
I have made reactions to your points. You just chose not to read them.
There you go, that was a direct reaction to these two points:
Now:
Well if it’s changing the way we’re going to be playing the game. Then yes it would be a shake up.
Now, since you bring up Pruning. I’m going to point out my experience of when 9.0 dropped. Blizz added/brought back a number of Baseline abilities, and in some cases, probably too many. I found on one or two of my toons, I had trouble fitting them all into reachable places on my action bar.
Sure, I appreciate I have gotten use to them now. But that doesn’t mean that there aren’t still too many baseline abilities. So, imo, a little bit of pruning here and there, isn’t necessarily a bad thing. Especially if those abilities are still available behind talent points.
What are other classes losing behind Talents points?
I’m melting people with it in combination with the 4-set. But hey, I must have been imagining it all.
Losing hibernate is not something I would lose sleep over. And this also shows that they can’t please everyone. To me, I see alot of fun combinations. In PvP I play to win, and me being more durable is a more fun experience than being dead.
Giving feedback is fine, some people think their opinion matters more, that’s all. I’ve seen alot of feedback on these forums throughout the years that would have made the game far worse.
Don’t read them then.
Nah, you didn’t respond to any of my criticism. You chose to defend it without arguments and dismiss feedback for being given in the time in which blizzard asked for it, instead of later.
Not really, seeing your results.
Well, it’s the same person writing the same thing over and over and over. When the truth of the matter is, they should be just waiting until they get to try it on the Beta to really see how the game plays.
I have responded to your criticism though. Denying that I have written anything, doesn’t mean that I didn’t right anything.
I just disagree with your criticisms and think you are being premature with your concerns.
I am not denying that you have written something.
I am denying that you have responded to my criticism.
I’m sorry but I have responded to your criticisms.
Just because you don’t think I have, doesn’t mean that I haven’t.
There’s a … quite a lot of evidence, or at least quite a lot of history of people complaining a lot, repeteadly, making a lot of noise, to have something changed. And blizzard, after a while or quickly, will obey, basically.
So, if you strongly disagree with something, you really should complain about it non stop regularly.
Ah, and there it is, the good old rating shaming. Is that all you got? perhabs you should look at your own results this season. Sorry to disapoint you, but not everyone takes arena seriously nor cares about it.
And sorry to disapoint you again, I’m still melting people with it. As does Snupy, but what does a R1 really know when we have the mighty whisperer on the forums. Is draught better for single target? without a doubt. Circle is nonetheless still a strong option.
Well you backed up your argument by yourself, not me. I am just responding to it. There’s a reason why people higher rated than you unanimously pick the different legendary. It’s simply stronger.
Funnily enough I saw something somewhere recently. Apologies I can’t quite remember where I saw it or what context it was under.
But it went something along the lines of this:
“Players complain that Blizzard doesn’t listen to them enough. But one of the biggest problems, is that Blizzard listens to players too much”.
Not suggesting that this is a reason for not giving Feedback. I certainly encourage feedback if there is some to be had. But that doesn’t mean that your feedback is going to make the game better.
You’re the one who brought up arena results, not me. Perhabs you should watch Snupy, literally a R1 who also often plays with circle. But hey, what does he know. So much for unanimously eh. Yes, we all know draught is stronger for single target, no one is disputing that. However, the burst with the 4set in combination with circle is very strong. I also don’t need to follow what other people doing, I don’t care for arena. I do enjoy watching high rated people fail all the time, it makes me feel all warm inside.
I’ll give you another example of this stupid sheep behavior: almost every WW monk plays necrolord. I don’t. Then we meet a semi-mirror comp, a holy priest/necro WW vs Disc/Kyrian. Their comp was way superior on paper and we still smoked them. So excuse me for not giving a damn about what’s popular or not. My monk hasn’t really played arena since WoD, yet I’m doing quite fine when I started last week. https://check-pvp.fr/eu/Outland/Stylewars
You’re the one who brought up that it’s strong because YOU melt people with it.
So I just looked into it a bit more, how you melt people.
the damage ticks alot faster, so people can die extremely fast in a stun while the healer sits in cc. That is with the 4 set, without that I probably would play draught again.
Also, having a healer waste precious mana not only on the kill target but also on himself, is a viable tactic for making them go OOM faster.
And I’m still melting people with it. I play arena strictly through LFG and no voice, which can be a hit and miss. More often the latter. But I don’t care, I’ll play with anyone that signs up. Sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn’t. That still doesn’t change the fact that circle in combination with the 4 set melts people.
and isn’t that the point? play what works best for me? Isn’t this whole discussion about what is fun and what isn’t? On my WW monk I’ve literally always played the way that worked best for me, not what everyone else does. I can see alot of fun combinations to try out, whether or not they’ll work, I’ll have to see. But that seems fun to me.
I know what it does. The issue is the damage is already too strong and people know very well how to trade CDs into it. It’s now worth butchering your overall damage just to boost two CDs.
Really? You can’t win faster before enemy healer ooms?
Sure, play the weaker build if it works best for you, I’m just saying it’s not stronger… there’s a tourney today, you can check Tony’s legendaries of choice yourself
But that’s derailing the thread too much.
Not at low ratings, people do all kinds of dumb stuff, myself included sometimes.
Yes, I know Tony plays draught. As does the majority. That’s not the point, circle being a viable choice is. I never disputed that draught is stronger, I even said that it is the best for single target.