Don’t tie it to power progression and you will have the so called “vocal minority” screaming that its “not worth doing it”.
The moment it becomes tied to power progression then it becomes pretty much mandatory for everyone… almost(maybe pet battlers, and gathers don’t need it much).
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yep doing nothing > “chores”, thats the wow playerbase…easiest money for blizz doing no content to make a few happy
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It is not about doing no content. It is about the freedom of doing the content you want to do.
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i want to do smth with my 448 paly (or with my other alts which i geard, because there is nothing else to do), but there is nothing and grinding points in m plus is srsly no content 
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You can grind rifts or dreamsurges. They are there.
ehm yea dreamsurges, there is like one mount and a few pets? and rifts is from 10.5
thats just 2 catch up content patches for alts and ppl which collect everything, but nothing to progress a character
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If you are 448, what progress do you expect?
And what progress did you have in the previous expansions when you were on ‘max’ ilvl? That’s not changed. 1 month before the release of a new tier you were always done anyway.
It is like people complaining on 448 ilvl they get nothing from the vault…
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“Check the graphics outside”
12k+ posts
Project much?
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I honestly like that I can do other things, to put it bluntly, I have gone from hating WoW to actually liking the game because I feel it has finally given me the freedom to play the game as I see fit, ala FF14.
Games genuinely in a good spot.
i know i am saying now a bad thing for the most player here, but at least in legion/bfa you could grind ap for 0,01% progress…now there is nothing and thats why ppl complaining in season 1 that there is nothing and now season 2 that there is nothing too
i have this issue for ~2 months already, because after raid is clear and a few reclears you are rly done
i dont do this, i know that im stuffed…i just complain about the lack of things to do and doing wq or rares for a little gold or greens is stupid.
but yea i have now the freedom to other stuff, thats the final goal of every game to be not fun/lacking motivation to even log in x)
extra: guess why these “chores” arent in the game anymore, because the big guilds player dont wanna do the chores 6 times with the same class. It was never about the casuals
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Can you name few examples please? When there was a feature, and people were SCREAMING that its “not worth doing it”.
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Knock yourself out. Not rewarding player power = not worth doing it.
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So you’re not a fan that we arent forced to grind for the sake of grinding?
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Sorry, I don’t consider world quests and “fill the bars” events as a “feature”. I was already doing this stuff in 2005 in silithus. Kill small ones, kill medium ones, summon big boy, kill it.
Whereas Torghast was a feature. It was unique rogue-like stuff that WoW has never seen. It was very interesting to do even without rewards. I remember myself sitting for a day straight in infinite corridors, even knowing there were not any rewards.
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But those are many of the mundane activities that come with farming player power.
I personally didn’t find Torghast anything but boring either but everyone is different. The powers that different classes got varied greatly and not one paladin spec was fun in there.
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Torghast by the end was good. Get stick for it, but it genuinely became compelling.
WoW needs to be streamlined to an extent.
I actually believe player housing supplies this.
My memories of Thorghast are tainted by the “mandatory part”. If Thorghast was completely optional feature which you can do it if you want to or not. Then possibly I would have better memories of it.
And I am not against extra content per say. I dont mind, mage towers, thorghasts, invasions…whatever. If there are people who like doing them, by all means. All the power to them.
I oppose the idea of “sprinkling AP” everywhere and force people who don’t want to do said content to do it as well.
We can argue on how good or bad DF turned out(possibly in a different thread) but for me. DF did right by me with the mere fact that I can log into the game right now and can freely do my M+ or raids or whatever without worrying about getting a
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You need to be this tall to ride, with a chore list ”
the moment I log in online.
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Used to be that players could figure out how to entertain themselves in these large open world games. I realise that the systemised version of WoW we’ve had since Legion has de-trained players in how to amuse themselves and they need a system to fill their dairy with tasks.
Do the achievements, Have you done Glory of dungeons and Raids. Open World Meta achievements.
Have you pushed M+ as far as you can?
Do professions, have you maxed out (as much as you can with this new convoluted version) your professions?
Leveling alts. Doing Loremaster.
Have you do all the side content, Whelp Daycare? Secrets of Azeroth? Pat Battle achievements (Catching and Fighting)?
Have you collected all the shinies from Time Rifts and Dream Surges?
Then there are achievement (Glory or Collection) in old dungeons and raids.
Mog and Mount farming there too.
Finishing off the Meta achievements in Argus, Mechagon Island or the Maw. Let’s face it those zones weren’t great at the time and a lot of players (myself included) left them unfinished at the time.
I think a reasonably fast gearing process is a good thing. Get geared and then do stuff with that gear.
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I do wish theyd find a gearing method that works and stick with it, feels like every patch has a different system and its not even a interesting change its usually just “this method nerfed”
I liked gearing this patch. was it quick? Yes but that made it more interesting to play alts and gave me more time to do things i enjoyed.
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Many, many, muchly many did just this in SL.
Hence Bliz’s change in their systemisation of player engagement.
When they announced the removal of flying forever many many players left then too (I was one of them). Hence Bliz compromised with Pathfinder but they also punished us with horrendous terrain ever since.
There are still grinds in WoW, Renown is a grind, some folk are better at grinds than others, my highest renown is Valdrakken at 28 and I’ve been playing pretty much every day (apart from holidays away).
Professions seem quite grindy now, I’ve not started them as they’re just dauntingly convoluted now.
There are quite a lot of mounts and pets to get this expac.