PEGI 12 doesn’t mean target audience is just kids, it’s not for kids. it just means that they can also play and there are thousands of movies & animations with that rating & has mature & deep stories.
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Let me give you a few examples of Pegi 12+ films which I find engaging (you can look up their rating in IMDB):
- Dune (13)
- Titanic (12)
- The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring (12)
- Indiana Jones: Raiders of the Lost Ark (12)
- Jurassic Park (12)
- Twilight (13)
- Iron Man (12)
- Batman (12)
And, these are just a few examples. They contain murder, war, love, sex, nudity, bad language, insanity. A story does not have to be sterile to be PG 12+.
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Like WoW
So?
I can’t remember when was the last time I heard a character cursing in WoW. Or to share a kiss or even a hug with loved ones. Can you give me a few examples please? (In game, no books, please.)
Recently, I watched Arthas’s storyline on YouTube and I was surprised that Sylvanas was actually swearing during the Warcraft III Reforged storyline.
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Dwarf is right tho
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Malfurion and Tyrande’s goodbye for example ?
But most of the tender moment happen in quest story, you have to read, they are not visually animated, like the old Tuskarr couple the painter and his whife in the Azure Span on their little island
Most if not all fantasy universes employ swear words, WoW is not an exeption, but it is in-universe swears, not an english [insert whtaver you like] ; have their own, tho’ mild, since rating
Okay and why is it needed? Maturity doesn’t means needless swearing and gore
To be honest, it is quite the opposite; needless swearing is the sign of immaturity usually
But you mentioned:
I… can’t really remember any strong (or any) swearing in these movies o be honest
There is some mild swearing in Jurassic park, however it’s also not a 12 where I live (it’s got a lower rating aimed at younger viewing)
There were 2 resons why they were emotional for me, first I felt as tired as Tyrande with this consta war with current wow dev and their player retainers, the second that they wrote out of the story an old well developed, strong character from the story.
At the end of the questline, when it became clear the Ysera won’t retake her role as aspect, every sacrefice made before to bring her back lost every meaning, and emotional weight, dwarfed into a silent, tired “meh”.
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Dragonflight story is an absolute joke made for the rainbow alphabet people and about as interesting as watching grass grow
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The problem is that contents in these day are aimed at the so called modern audiance ( as the Critical Drinker would say), which produce, blank, repetitive products. Most of the DF questlines are build up on the same way, whatever is the conflict, the solution is always is an obverse to a modern, progessive ideology. And also they like to reduce strong characters, like how they made Kalecgos an anime femboy, for example. And also reacting back to OP,
I felt something similar. For example the Explorer’s League and the Reliquary were at each other’s throat, way before BfA, and suddenly every rivalry, prejudice, hate is lifted and they now best pals and colleagues forever. The lack of deeper conflict between the “good guys” is just killing fantasy of it. Where are the orks, who look down upon weak races, like goblins, or the forsaken who hate every living? Humans with prejudice, draenei with devoted service to the Light? The Drinker made a good point in his Witcher - Blood Origin critics, that in modern fantasy there are no uniqueness, because everything looks the same. The culture, the people, the ideology, etc everything is the same forced mixture in every part of the given fantasy world. And no wonder that ppl will find it boring and annoying, and they will voice their discontentment.
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YOU don’t. And that’s fine. You feel how you feel.
But don’t speak in generalization.
Ps; I personally didn’t feel much about Arthas either back in the day; sure he looked cool, but he was pretty much a cartoon villain just showing up at different times during questing going ‘muhaha look how evil I am!’.
Each to their own.
Story is subjective. People gravitate to different things.
I completely disagree.
You’re just seeing what you want to see.
And ‘always’ is complete hyperbole.
SOME people. A specific kind of person.
Which is fine; they have every right to.
But not everyone agrees.
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I humbly disagree
Raszageth was an awesome villain and you could connect with her, understand her
Sure, we not seen many from Raszageth but even with the little screentime, she showed some real depth of a character!
She got chance to kill two of the major dragon, Wrathion and Alexstrasza, but not done it and not because some weak mustache twirling villain cliché
Her reasons was quite understandable actually
Alexstrasza in her eyes were a tyrant, enforcer of the Titans’s will, who destroyed the “old ways” and when they resisted, sealed them away in prisons, but they weren’t us lucky as the Dracthyr, they weren’t in stasis, they were well aware of the world around them; they were conscious. This is similar “mercy” what Illidan recieved from Malfurion. Kept in prison, conscious, without the ability to end your suffering and without hope to escape
And built her Dragon Empire - on the top of it herself as a self (or Titan Keeper) apointed Queen - and lived. As she said, time was exactly what Alexstrasza stole from her, from them and life. It is understandable, she want to see Alexstrasza suffer, want her to see how eveything crumbles around her, then maybe she will be allowed to die by the hands of Raszageth
Wrathion is another story; in here eyes, the “Black Prince” was basically nothing, a whelp, a brainwashed one, who have no idea what is to be a Dragon of old.
And the Incarnates and Primalist actually do have a point about the Titans, not to mention, her attack in the cinematics against Neltharion was a very calculated one; she went after especially his glove , the Titanic artifact he used to mind controll and keep the Dracthyr under his thumbs. You need a darn focused plan to aim your lighting to a human sized figure, souranded by Dracthyr, and especially aim that glove to shatter
I don’t think it was an accident she destroyed it; she wanted to free the dracthyr and succeeded and the Dratcthyr, arguably the greatest assets of the Dragon Apect were benched.
In my humble oppinion, letting Wrathion alive was more than “I need someone to tell the world I’m back” cliché, since everyone and their mother saw her return. Simply she had no reason to kill some poor brainwashed kid, who was similar to the Drathyr in that sense, just without an artifact to controll.
She is… was, quite a complex villain, one you potentially could sympathize with, understand her reasons and even agree with her to a point
To be honest, if you are familiar with SW:ToR she was the Darth Malgus of WoW
(Not to menzion she is the one of the very few WoW villains who actually suceeded, she freed her family, tho’ it costed her life… but she have done it and that was her plan)
Similarly, you can understand Iridikron and Vyranoth is shapes up to be a relucant villain and may even ends up redeemed
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Maybe because we are on polar opposite of thinking, we see the case differently, but as you can read here, I am not not only one, some people (just to clarify not everyone ) in here or other posts are saying the same, and more and more of the ‘some’ people are getting their voice back to say what they see, even if they are called cyst or phobic, as a counter-argument.
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Please get your terms right, though.
And I don’t think most people use ‘calling someone something’ as an argument. Because that’s very silly to do.
Really there’s maybe two? Different characters don’t know why that’s a threat to you people but I guess anything different must be silent or crushed right?
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We, the heroes, died in WotLK, but got back up in the nick of time.
We, the heroes, died in Legion, but got back up in the nick of time.
As far as betrayal goes, did you sleep on the entire plot of Sylvanas and her shadowy master running the Horde - then finally letting the mask slip in a moment of rage? Or Denathrius betraying his “siblings”? Or what about the Sargerei traitors back in WoD?
Or if we strictly talk Dragonflight here, you do realize Sarkareth betrayed everyone to claim Deathwing’s power for his own?
And in terms of defeats, the heroes had to flee after beating Razsageth, because staying and fighting the Primal Incarnates would have been suicide. A mission failed successfully, one might say.