The ball is in Blizzard’s court to make the game more intrinsically fun and less extrinsically fun.
Case example: People still play LoZ Tears of the Kingdom after the story because of how much fun it is to invent new contraptions with the device parts there. There is an entire subreddit for engineering devices in this game.
Intrinsic fun is much more easier to achieve when you have a Sandbox element to play with. But the nature of Wow does not really allow any kind of complex sandbox gameplay. But while you cant do that, you can achieve to entice intrinsic motivation through a shiet ton of extrinsic rewards, whit many ways to get them. Then it becomes an intrinsic fun to find the path to achieving your goal, even tho the reward in extrinsic.
A part of that is the fun coming from planning your route in a dungeon (mmmhh… but DF does not allow this with many dungeon since so many are linear)
It depends on what journey does the destination takes us.
Blizzard is good at making the journey as lousy as possible and us the players manage to make it even more lousy for our fellow players when it comes from group content that requires a modicum of skill (because we are so focused on reaching the destination ASAP that we expect perfection from the others)
You do realise that before Legion was WoD?
That expansion where we literally did nothing.
The burnout from SL was unreal. I did S4 and just couldn’t wait to quit, and I did.
DF, I come and go as I please and don’t feel the chore list burning a hole in my retina.
Personally i find DF quite boring and just a gigantic safeplay nothing about it has really stick as memorable.
Shadowlands might have been absolute crap but atleast it gave us funny memes
There is one of these posts every expansion, every patch, pretty much every week. I’m still waiting for wow to die.
I think what you’re running into is that a vast majority of people who play this game, have played it a long time. We are older and have responsibilities and therefor do not have hours and hours and hours to sink into the game. With the addition to the game of cross realm and cross faction raiding and open communities the traditional guild that most of us would of been part of in the past is no longer the norm. People do not have the time or patience for overly structured game play with people they don’t know much less even like deciding how and when they play. They want to log in, do what they want and log out. The game as it stands supports this playstyle.
As for the zones, I agree. I think Blizzard got it wrong by making these zones part of our gearing. Instead of having toys, mounts and other items to collect which people would still grind for - they made it about gear upgrades. Once everyone had all of that there is no reason to go. So I find myself flying around with all the elites up and no one to kill them with.
I still hate WOD.
What are you even talking about?
Raid has enough useful gear for people to do it.
PvP is basically seperate from PvE gear wise now.
Open world content gives better rewards for total casuals than ever before.
Like, obviously I’m going to play M+, what else was there ever to do (combat wise, besides raids and PvP) in WoW for people that actually like the combat of the game and want to improve?
M+ is more accesible than ever nowdays and gearing is easier than ever.
And Asmongold literally changes his talking points every few months. I remember him constantly complaining about how retail wow was too casual friendly and that everything is “easy” nowdays a year or two ago. Basically nothing has changed difficulty wise since then.
Not too mention that he’s actually not even good at the game.
The open world feels extremely unrewarding. Why do you think all the casuals stopped playing and the world is empty? Turns out I was right, casuals don´t care about re-skins of the same mount or ugly transmog, they care about a fun power progression system.
If you wanna understand casual WoW brain watch this video. It is the hard truth about why Dragonflight is such a failure.
I woulda played the death out of this expansion if it’d come after Legion but they saturated the game with too many collectibles, which killed my desire to collect stuff. I’ve got over 600 mounts and I just… don’t care anymore. I cared two expansions ago, hell I cared in BfA. But I pushed myself too hard getting the M+ S4 mount and that was kind of my quit moment for collecting. My SL and Dragonflight collection lists are BARREN compared to older expansions.
Doesn’t help that I don’t give a damn about Dragons. I wanna be in the Eastern Kingdoms and Kalimdor. You know, ACTUAL Warcraft. Not these silly made up islands or other worlds.
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