it does thats why i play tbc instead of crying about everything tbc has to offer
So why are you fighting so hard against a change that would let everyone enjoy the different activities that TBC has to offer? It doesn’t make any sense so you have to be lying about something.
Level 58 boost is a TBC feature tbh

So why are you fighting so hard against a change that would let everyone enjoy the different activities that TBC has to offer? It doesn’t make any sense so you have to be lying about something.
and what stops you from enjoying different activities right now?

and what stops you from enjoying different activities right now?
That you are wrong spec to do it… ? Are you dumb or just playing one.
Let’s say you spec for PvP so you can do bg/arena etc. 5 minutes later your friend asks you to tank 1 heroic. Now are you gonna respec back to tank? Of course not. You are gonna play PvP for couple days without doing anything else.
That’s just objectively bad for the game and there is no reason that this should be the case.
Look, I understand that you are only raidlogging and don’t actually play the game, but there are people who would like to actively play it.

That you are wrong spec to do it… ? Are you dumb or just playing one.
Let’s say you spec for PvP so you can do bg/arena etc. 5 minutes later your friend asks you to tank 1 heroic. Now are you gonna respec back to tank? Of course not. You are gonna play PvP for couple days without doing anything else.
That’s just objectively bad for the game and there is no reason that this should be the case.
then you can just respecc for 50g and makes the game alive because there are goldsinks and people have to go out and farm.

Look, I understand that you are only raidlogging and don’t actually play the game, but there are people who would like to actively play it.
ye if you say so it must be true

then you can just respecc for 50g and makes the game alive because there are goldsinks and people have to go out and farm.
No one will ever do that so your argument doesn’t work. Look, you need to watch what is actually happening in the game, not in your weird theory about what could happen But yes, I guess it’s pretty hard to understand what is going on with the game when you are not actually playing it.
maybe you would realize too once you get to maxlvl and stop trolling/Crying in forums

maybe you would realize too once you get to maxlvl and stop trolling/Crying in forums
Considering I have 5x 70 I think it’s pretty safe to say I understand more than you.
I think your illusion comes from playing in gehennas where there is 2 layers due to the player count, I have couple chars there too, but you fail to understand that even then the server is dying down quite rapidly.
It’s time to act now before it’s too late. Most servers are almost dead already.
source: dude trust me
Trust what? I don’t think you understand that it really doesn’t matter me what some dogtier player who is just raidlogging thinks. I only care about trying to make the game better for everyone, or let’s not say everyone, because that is not true. The ones who actually want to play the games are the ones who matter.

Trust what? I don’t think you understand that it really doesn’t matter me what some dogtier player who is just raidlogging thinks.
whatever fits your reality
and no go farm that gold for respecc

and no go farm that gold for respecc
Why are you telling me this? I do it already. It’s not my problem, it’s problem of the general playerbase. Like how can you even be this dumb. Would help a bit if you had IQ slightly higher than your shoe size.
it would be faster to create 3xcharacters of the class you’re playing than expecting blizzard to add duel-spec in TBC-C.
for example…
Playing warrior? create & gear 3x warriors, make 1prot 1fury 1arms! lvl & gear them all
playing rogue? make 2 1for pve & 1for pvp
that’s how you play mmo-rpgs anyway.
Never was that way in WoW. You wouldn’t farm 3x the reputations and make 3x more raids for offspec pieces, that are doing to be disenchanted otherwise.

Why are you telling me this? I do it already. It’s not my problem, it’s problem of the general playerbase. Like how can you even be this dumb. Would help a bit if you had IQ slightly higher than your shoe size.
no need to be so angry little troll. you arent talking for the general playerbase

Good for you, not everyone enjoy questing though. Why force someone to play something they dont enjoy for a few hours, before they can actually play what they like?
When someone gives you other things people might not enjoy that they have to do to get things done you go back to.

Feels like you are just grasping for straws here, some very thin arguements tbh.

Imagine if people who enjoyed pve was forced into doing pvp constantly every week, for a few hours?
You mean like in vanilla? where both warriors and rogues had their bis wepons for like half the game from pvp, yeah people did the grind even if they didnt want to play pvp really just to get their bis.

The pve’ers would go mental (we would also see what we saw on retail to some degree i think)
People didnt like it most people probbably didnt even try to do it becouse it wasnt worth it but I personaly know people who did the grind in classic not becouse they enjoyed pvp at all really but to be able to flex in pve and they didnt complain asking for dual spec.

But out of curiousity, why/what do you think would happen if we got dual spec?
Most people would ether go for a single target and a aoe spec or they would go for a pvp and a pve spec. Some people would go for tank/healer and dps spec and those are the people that would really hurt the pve side of the game tbh, a lot of bosses in the raids can be done with a single tank some bosses requier more than 2-3 (for some guilds even 4) so the once who have tank and dps spec could then between bosses easy swap to the spec that would be best for the upcoming boss makeing the bosses even more of a joke.

I see it often on my server atleast (guildies/friends/random pugs in instance groups), people talking about they cba doing pvp in pve specc and vice-versa. And i understand them, beacause its absolute pain.
What they are really saying there is “I cant be bothered to do a few dailys and maybe half a hour of grinding to join in on the part of the game im not as intressted in as the other “side” of the game” becouse people usally pick one or the other from what they are intressted in and mostly stick to it.

You mean like in vanilla? where both warriors and rogues had their bis wepons for like half the game from pvp, yeah people did the grind even if they didnt want to play pvp really just to get their bis.
That sort of proves my point i feel like. Nobody likes beeing forced into a part of a game, just to play what they enjoy.

Some people would go for tank/healer and dps spec and those are the people that would really hurt the pve side
Getting more tanks/healers would hurt the pve side? What about heroics or dungeon farming, most of the time its always a pain finding tank/healers. I hear people say it didnt help on retail, so who knows if it would on tbcc.

a lot of bosses in the raids can be done with a single tank some bosses requier more than 2-3 (for some guilds even 4) so the once who have tank and dps spec could then between bosses easy swap to the spec that would be best for the upcoming boss makeing the bosses even more of a joke.
I cant really see how this is a bad thing. If people want to swap between tank/dps specc in raids, let them. You say its making raids easier, that might be. There are other ways you can do though, to make the raids harder but i highly doubt the majority of the playerbase would choose to make it harder instead of easier.
Even in raids where you dont need a second tank, the OT goes in dps gear anyway. If the MT dies, the OT cant put on tanking gear anyway beacause of combat.
On my pala tank i have healing as OS, and i go healing gear where i dont need to tank. If the MT dies, i cant swap to tank gear.

What they are really saying there is “I cant be bothered to do a few dailys and maybe half a hour of grinding to join in on the part of the game im not as intressted in as the other “side” of the game” becouse people usally pick one or the other from what they are intressted in and mostly stick to it.
Exactly, i honestly cant be arsed farming dailies and quests every day. I did nothing but quest my way to 70, i hate questing and im not alone:)
Its not only on 1 char either, its on 3.
And what it actually does to me, is that i cant do the “other side of the game” beacause im in a bad specc. It hurts both aspects of the game, less people who do pvp and less people who do pve (it obviously fluctuates).
Having to turn down tanking dungeons beacause im in a dps specc sounds healthy for the game:)
I feel like the only reason people dont want dual specc is beacause of the “#No-change”, its basically just a principle for some at this point. I get that its a slippery slope, that this can lead to them adding LFG/LFR etc. But thats a risk im willing to take.

That sort of proves my point i feel like. Nobody likes beeing forced into a part of a game, just to play what they enjoy.
But people didnt cry about dual spec then but just did it.

Getting more tanks/healers would hurt the pve side? What about heroics or dungeon farming, most of the time its always a pain finding tank/healers. I hear people say it didnt help on retail, so who knows if it would on tbcc.
Nah it would just get tanks and healers go and get a dps spec as well mostly (not counting on the few people that will go and get a tank spec or a healing spec that are usally dps to make much of a difference at all). And for not getting why it would hurt the pve side you respond to it right after this so.

I cant really see how this is a bad thing. If people want to swap between tank/dps specc in raids, let them.
“want to” I wouldnt want to swap personaly for example but I would be holding everyone els back by not doing it therfore I would feel presured to do it even if no one said I had to do it. Just like I did with fury/prot in classic vanilla I didnt enjoy it really seeing as it felt more like I was a dps cosplaying a tank and not a proper tank.

You say its making raids easier, that might be. There are other ways you can do though, to make the raids harder but i highly doubt the majority of the playerbase would choose to make it harder instead of easier.
So dont give them the choice to nerf it for them selfs then. People will complain even more about how easy it is and if anyone tells them to try do it with people not abusing dual spec (if it ever comes to tbc) they would all call the person telling them that stupid.

Even in raids where you dont need a second tank, the OT goes in dps gear anyway. If the MT dies, the OT cant put on tanking gear anyway beacause of combat.
Yeah I do that but you see I can still change to my shield again and if its the last few % of the bosses hp I could save us from a wipe while being a bit squishier.

On my pala tank i have healing as OS, and i go healing gear where i dont need to tank. If the MT dies, i cant swap to tank gear.
But you still have all the talents that might save you from wiping and you can still swap wepons and put on a tanking shield and maybe survive a bit better than a holy paladin.

Exactly, i honestly cant be arsed farming dailies and quests every day. I did nothing but quest my way to 70, i hate questing and im not alone:)
The 2 quickest dailys are just fish up a fish and cook something (with the berry quest as well for that spot) that usally gives around 15 raw gold and then you can sell the fish and/or meat you get on the ah and get up to atleast 17gold depending on the server. if you do the daily dungeon and heroic as well you are at around 50g from raw gold rewards, those are clearly not the same types of quests as when you are leveling and the cooking and fishing dailys take around 20 min combined to do. You dont have to do them every day though if you dont want to respec every day.

And what it actually does to me, is that i cant do the “other side of the game” beacause im in a bad specc. It hurts both aspects of the game, less people who do pvp and less people who do pve (it obviously fluctuates).
You culd dedicate some time and do both “sides” of the game though.

Having to turn down tanking dungeons beacause im in a dps specc sounds healthy for the game:)
If you are in a dps spec you most likley are not one of the people that wants to tank anyways.

I feel like the only reason people dont want dual specc is beacause of the “#No-change”, its basically just a principle for some at this point. I get that its a slippery slope, that this can lead to them adding LFG/LFR etc. But thats a risk im willing to take.
I dont want it becouse its a soft nerf to all the raids.
The problem is Blizzard opened the Pandora’s box by accepting “some changes” inspired by influencers. As the classic team has no game designer (which is incredible), they implement most vocal changes without weighting the negative impacts it would have on the integrity of the game (world, social and gameplay).
The changes they accepted, to please shrieking forumers and influencers, are a net negative for the quality of the design and make less vocal people quit the game.
Which creates a spiral : the game is shrinking and the changes are misguided, which gives a new reason for forumers/influencers to ask for another dumb change. They cry and cry until the programmers do it, at the cost again of the quality of the original design. So this next bad change shrinks the game even more, so the crying lot shrieks again → repeat until the game looks like a mutated kind of retail nobody wants to play.
Democratic design is a recipe for failure because most vocal people don’t understand why the game they love is actually good and are prompt to ask for changes which lessen the experience. It is the history of retail in a nutshell, and it is now the history of classic too. We have game designers for a reason.