The one in proven grounds that I entered as resto shaman in the legion order hall. In legion. When legion was current. When I just started wow and hitted max level 110. When I wanted to do dungeons but wanted to prepare myself for doing them for the first time. When I had 0, zero, none, addons because I was completely new in the game.
If we are reffering to the debuff that explodes if not dispelled ,i did the proving grounds in Legion to get all the achievments for healer and dps. And it always showed on the base ui so it might be a bug if you accesed it in Bfa.
Also sorry for deralingi the thread op.
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well I never said they cant do what ever they want whit their, group, but look at it from someone elses side, to try and find a group for a low key, and you se in finder, people saying they look at rio or what ever other achivment for things that you do not need anything high for, for many this is an indication that the leader is an elitisit person.
there is room for all, but unfortunately people also rember the bad things more often than the good things.
like.
someone bullies you in a dungeon becuse you are new, or you might not have same gear as him/her.
you get declined from groups, becuse you do not have same score or achivment than the leader, for things you already did.
you get kicked becuse you did one mistake, even if the boss did die, and everythign is ok.
people rember this, even if it is just smal percentage that do behave badly, way more due to this will get stampped as being elitists to, and one huge reason this is happening is due to we let it slide most of the time, or have no chance to defend our self against the bullies out there.
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No, it is an indication that the individual wanna do things fast and get them over with
I feel a little conflict in the reasoning here. You want to work towards something. But with a lack of time, that’ll take an extreme amount of time (in absolute weeks, not /played). Now they actually introduced the instant gratification, probably, to please the more casual player and the player who simply can’t afford to spend so much time per week anymore (kids/work/life…you know :)).
I’d say the game is in a casual-friendly state, and for this I can basically use your arguments ^^. However, some of these ““casuals”” do expect to do the same content as the ones playing a little more and putting more effort in the game, and that is a slight problem - not perse how the game is atm.
You have to spend much less time to get gear than before. You can do content that suits you in difficulty (M+) without having to spend 3 hours straight in an instance. You can just hop in the game, do an emissary quest, queue for a bg/skirmish/brawl without having to make a pre-made group etc etc.
Is a world-quest too hard? Press the green button and voila, within a minute you’re fighting a boss-mob with a group of 5.
Don’t forget that LFR isn’t really there to gear up (you can disagree), but just to show the non-regular raiders the content they would otherwise be excluded from. LFR is not much more than “a way to view the story for “casuals””. But I do agree that the rewards for simple World-quests/emissaries are too high.
Yeah this is where I stopped… this game, in its entire existence, has never been more casual friendly than it is now. And the difficulty curve is the smoothest you can imagine while still having a very easy part and a very hard part.
See, you started a topic about a community related issue and then somehow managed to turn it into a game related one (and a wrong one as well). You were right when saying the words “casual” and “elitist” are completely misused nowadays and this entirely people’s fault, not the game’s. Yes, the instant gratification, the gear progression and so on can be debated about, but the causal friendliness and the smooth difficulty curve are two undeniable facts about the current state of WoW.
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Some of that is people needing to develop a thicker skin. At no point should someone accept a tyrade of abuse, but not every action in wow is ‘bullying’.
I’m always amused by people with no score setting really high requirements for their key. It is their key and they can set whatever they like but it makes me smile, none the less.
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I want to ask people. well mostly people that take on both game I guess ?
Why does people need addons to do the raids in higher difficulties in WoW, when in other games they do fine without them ? Like FFXIV for example.
Is it because in FF spells are more clearly indicated ? More time to react ?
Don’t tell me FF encounter are easier, some are real pain in the butt.
Talking as a filthy casual, the game is amazingly suited to casuals right now. Anyone claiming otherwise is talking rubbish.
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Because nearly every attack in FFXIV is very clearly telegraphed and there is no RNG to the encounters. The bosses will always do every ability in the same order with no change, it’s a lot easier to learn an encounter by heart that way. It’s also the reason why healers spend about 75% of the time dpsing, damage intake is very predictable.
Besides, the UI is completely customisable unlike WoW.
Mhm. I agree there is a lot of scripted event in FFXIV, but fights doesn’t exclude RNG or unforgiving mechanics to deal with.
I guess the order of the abilites have a lot to do with the fact that there is way more unavoidable raid damage happening. But if you fight something like Susano EX, you’ll see RNG happening ![:stuck_out_tongue:](https://d1bg94bbsh66ji.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/stuck_out_tongue.png?v=6" ":stuck_out_tongue:")
Why even bother commenting when you cant read 2 lines of what this thread is about.
P.S. no its not about what you said
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Not elitist destroying the game but fake elitists.
Like guys who demands papers /achivments /current season ratting / Ri.o scores for evrything even trivial stuff in this games…which leads to insane time waste. Because of them WoW become game in which you wait 2 hours in LFG to play 1 hour, anyone are obsessed with scores, and numbers. Blizzard will need to do somehting against this soon or latter, personaly it deter me from game.
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If there is RNG to some fights it is every minimal. Even Susano is very predictable unless my memory fails me. Iirc the only ‘random’ part is the stormcloud spawn location, but their followup mechanic is predictable and easily baited.
The addons never done the job for you. You still HAVE TO pay attention or you die DBM or not.
As for other addons, they just help with visibility and improvements that many ppl including me love to play with like elvui.
Weak auras is a great way to put important information on the middle of my screen.
I could in theory ofc put my whole action bar there but that would make it a bit annoying wouldnt it.
Currently my weak auras mostly only appear when im in combat so they dont take up my screen space.
For another example i could say base raid frames for a healer, especially for a resto druid is pretty much unusable. It only shows 3 buffs at any time, when you will have way more than 3 hots up on certain raid members at any one point.
Sure if blizzard will bother to do some improvements maybe it would stop that many ppl from using addons.
Addond are not inaccessible to anyone. Everyone will be once new to the game and someone else will just tell them about it if they dont read of it on their own. Thats how it happened to me and with everyone else in the history of wow who has played the game at any point.
I could also argue that having addons wont make you magically do hard content and that ppl who do use addons doesnt mean they would be bad without them.
Bad ppl can die in bad even with addons working and good ppl can play with almost no addons or nothing at all.
Nice post. I don’t agree with everything, but we’ll get to that in a second.
First I’d like to address something; I think you’re using some terms wrong.
You are using the term ‘elitist’ when you should be using the term ‘elite’ and vice versa.
Now, they’re very similar but they have a very important difference.
Elite is what you described here:
That is totally correct. But an elitist isn’t the same thing.
And elitist is “a person who believes that a society or system should be led by an elite.”
You use the terms interchangeably in your post, which I think is a mistake.
Anyway…
I totally disagree. WoW used to be casually unfriendly; in vanilla, tbc, wotlk.
It has been casual friendly for years now.
Is it really? Could you give an example of this?
Why would this matter to a casual player. I’d think a casual player is happy to get an upgrade by doing the content he/she manages.
This is entirely a thing that matters only to players who care about min/max-ing or who are extremely petty and don’t want to see ‘less skilled’ players get stuff close to their own level.
Which is not casual unfriendly.
You don’t sound like a casual player mate.
You sound like ‘a hardcore player who is playing in a casual manner’. Which is what I am too actually (just not with an elite mindset, like you seem to have).
I LOVE that raids are no longer the go-to, must-do-or-die type of content they have been for years. I LOVE that there’s alternatives now. It’s awesome.
Agreed. But the greedy mindset that a LOT of players have, ruins this; they want rewards that are BETTER than anything ‘below’ them or they’re going to whine and complain.
Why not enjoy content because it’s an activity you ACTUALLY enjoy?!
Who cares if other content also rewards similar things. It shouldn’t matter.
Maybe for some that is true, but for a lot of people it actually IS.
They want to feel better. More powerful. Higher up the food chain.
But that’s the world we live in. Instant gratification is EVERYWHERE.
I’m not saying it’s good, but it is what it is. And a single game isn’t going to change this worldwide attitude.
Also; anyone saying LFR should be removed immediately marks them as an ELITIST* imo. And that’s not a good thing.
- check the part about those terms again above.
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that is such a lame lazy excuse though .
lazy because wow devs are to lazy to take actions in order to get rid o toxic people from game.
look at FF14 for example - it has banned all dps meters from game. and see how many people are praising it mainly about how good community there is.
it is like this exackly because FF devs are not afraid to ban toxic addons and get rid of toxic people from their game.
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they should have take actions years ago. stuff like logs wasnt even popular in wow untill end of mop.
they should have banned logging back then - we wouldnt have ended with abomination of people exclusion that raider io is atm .
but they are to lazy to care about majority of people .
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You should make a difference between elite and elitist. And by definition, elitists don’t accept opinions of those they see as non-elite.
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And also there’s a distinction between elitism and meritocracy.
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