End Game Sucks because of the community

It Sucks and not because of the content, because of the players.
The theme park design that streamers like Asmongold complain so much, it’s not the issue, it is pretty fun actually and it’s the only think that make me keep going.
The think that is making me wanting to quit or leave the game, stop playing it and trow everything and play a single player game.
Is the community, when you try to do a normal raid they always ask for curve or they always reject you, just because you don’t have enough clears but at the same time they are perma rejecting everyone who tries to join the raid making impossible for new players to get clears or achievements.
I got to a point where i got all my equipment to item level 418 with pure wolrd quest and yellow quest just because i will get rejected even to a king’s rest mythic.
The really small percentage when i got to a party people rage because of a wipe and start blaming everyone else instead of explaining the mechanics to the new players.
I had to watch videos to not mess up anything because nobody will bother in explaining you, they will just blame you for everything.
And the tanks, they are the worst type of players out there, one small mistake in the raid and they will leave the raid and destroy the raid because of that, because they know they are needed so they just leave and join another party.
In resume i play 8 hours a day where 6 i am searching for party and getting rejected in everything and 2 where i found a party we manage to kill 2 bosses and then the tanks leave the party.
This community is sad they are all blaming everyone instead of helping, how hard is to put 3 lines in chat explaining the mechanics and try again?
I am really disappointed and sad, because is my first time playing wow and i really love it, but this community is killing my joy and fun to keep playing.

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While the game is definitely flawed I do agree the worst part often times are the people around you.

Yes you could join a guild, yes you could make your own groups, yes there are other condescending answers people always give when issues like these come up but it’s NOT always that black and white.

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I disagree with the posting. Part of the problem is how many times Blizzard tries to get away with awful game design which is a catalyst for the bad mood the players have.

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So what are you doing to change the situation?

Instead of complaining that people don’t let you into their groups, why don’t you start your own groups? You can open one, just like everyone else. Don’t know the encounters? Watch videos and study them, just like those did who have the achievements and the experience. Nobody logged on and knew all the tactics. There is even an Adventure Guide with key points of an encounter.

The problem is “you”, not the community at large, which you are a part of. You expect that other people organize groups and activities for you, so that you can “tag along” and get what you want. This is an issue of “entitlement”. You are not entitled to other players doing the work for you so that you can sit yourself in the feathered nest. None of the group leaders are paid by you. They are players just like you with the same tools and options available to them that are also available to you.

How hard is it to watch a video before you join a raid group or a M+? Why do you want to join a “fast clear” group instead of making a “Let’s learn together” group and inviting people who have no achievements and no experience? This really comes down to you expecting things of others that you are not willing to do yourself. You can absolutely be the change you want to see in this community. But that requires effort. Effort you only expect from others, but not from yourself.

So are you playing a tank? Of course not. That would require effort. it’s much easier to wait for others to do that, learn the encounters, deal with the backseat criticism from dps players, and handle the pressure. It’s much easier to be one of the dime-in-a-dozen dps.

And then you’re unhappy when THEY decide they want it easy too (only play with people who have proven experience, because they don’t want to teach anyone) or don’t have fun and are not willing to sacrifice THEIR game experience so that you can have a good time. Then they are bad. They are bad because they don’t do what you want, even though you don’t do it yourself.

Everyone is selfish, and you are no different. You could be, but you don’t want to make that change. It’s easier to complain and blame other people why you are not getting what you want. Always their fault, never yours.

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Well, this is what I call a posting annihilation.

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So yeah. Bull.

Push your own key, problem solved. I pug and push my own key on my dps alts. Never, not once, has taken me more than 15 mins to get a run going before 15.

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Keep in mind that you are asking people to explain mechanics of a boss which people likely have explained a million times over. I can understand the nature of the frustration, but sadly it is the state of the PuG environment that we live in today.

What I can recommend is to either join a guild, or join to a group of likeminded players coalescing into communities. They provide a much better atmosphere than PuGs will ever be able to.

How many people will join a raid made by someone who doesn’t have even 1 clear? =) i know the mechanics i have done the LFR option a million times and i have watch a dozen of videos explaining the mechanics.
Last time i tried to explain the mechanics they expelled me form the raid.
I understand that tanks to want it easy, so i retire the comment of the tanks, sorry about it.
But i still think the community it is not helping at all, what can i do i alone?
The only guild that you will be able to join at this step is a social guild.
I am sorry for being a dps if that is what upset people, but i am leveling a tank right now and it will take a time.

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Part of the reason the game sucks is people like you, lets refer to them as “sheeple”

If you get rejected from a KR, you could make a group. But no, its far easier to bemoan your life on the forums than fix it, right?

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the mentality here is the same as in game.
Go ahead blame it all on me.

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I’m sure there are others out there without achievments and full clears that would join a group without such requirements. Then u could all learn it together :slight_smile:

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i am a sheeple for trying and not working?
you just say obvious think like make your own raid, explain to the people, help a little instead of complaining.
I have tried everything, the only think left is to make a tank witch is in process.

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You really seem to be purposefully ignoring everyone’s, ok many, suggestions. Make your own groups. What’s stopping you from doing so?

GL with the tanking business. It’s not all happy invites and pats in the back, but personally I find it the most enjoyable role in the game.

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My reason to quit and swear to be never tank again. Once in vanilla content, i blamed as wrost tank ever(warrior) from a s.priest who relentlessly pull mobs and jump over my face before we finsh a mob wave. I’m not starting with Motherlode memories with my tank paladin… Tanking is not just in game punishment only. You have to rise your shield to other players also.
Unfortuntately, that made me an althocolic… I’m gonna roll a Tauren shaman now…

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Plenty, I’m sure, unless you set requirements that you don’t meet yourself (e.g. requiring the Curve when you don’t have it).

There are many players out there who have the exact same problems as you do, but also shy away from starting their own group. Don’t get me wrong here, I understand why, and I don’t blame anyone for looking for the easy (or easier) way. That is fine. I just disagree with the conclusion that the community sucks because people who already do put in extra effort are selective.

Most people aren’t organizing PUGs because they want to provide a service to the community. They just want smooth runs and are willing to put in more work to ensure that they get what they want. I don’t feel that PUGs are the best place to learn and progress together. That is what guilds and raid groups are for. PUGs typically just want to clear content quickly because they already did the progression stuff.

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I’m a tank and was a main tank for a long time up until recently and I can tell you that this is false generalization, it’s not the role that dictates the personality but the person.

I was even told to shut up during a raid and because I didn’t want to let everyone down in the raid just because of two people I decided to stay and continue as usual so it’s always the choice of the person so picking on the role people play is just silly to say the least.

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I am not searching for a easy run, i just want to play.
I always stay until the party completely brakes even if we wipe 20 times.
For me is fun because i am playing, not siting in zuldazar waiting for a invite or a bg to start.
And i don’t have any leader trait in me to guide 20 people to do a raid, so i am sorry if i don’t try hard enough in that one.

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You’re not good enough to join a group therefore the entire community is evil and bad. Faultless logic.

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i am always top 5 dps when i am in a raid, is that not good enough?

This is guild behavior, though, not PUG behavior. I spent whole evenings (and weeks, months) wiping at bosses with my raid and guild groups, with progress sometimes being minimal or absent. I wouldn’t be willing to do this in a PUG, because when I join a PUG, I just want to complete the content smoothly. A wipe is fine, but twenty wipes are not.

If leading PUGs isn’t an option that appeals to you, why not join a guild and raid/learn/progress with the same group of people? It isn’t always quick, but you won’t need to spend many hours on looking for groups. It’s also more fun and social.

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