Hey! Since Blizzard is saying they are listening to the community, what about bringing back 2hand stormstrikes? A lot of people want it back, I know some people say it’s sh*t but noone forces you to use it, all we need is to be able to use stormstrike while wearing 2 Hander, it was never overpowered or anything it just made the class more fun, why not bring it back?
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The talent tree system opens up so many possibilities for what can be done. Like two separate branches that focus on entirely different kinds of builds. One thing that came to mind at one point was Titan’s grip with Warriors. You could have that at the end of one tree, and have a second tree that then would improve 1H DW performance. Enhance could then have something similar with DW and 2H branches.
Because they’re in separate branches, they can tailor the talents in those branches so that it balances the two playstyles in a multitude of ways.
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out of nostalgia and the cool animations i would love 2h enhance, honestly it would be refreshing to play differently other than same style with 1handers over and over.
more variety that is balanced, go for it.
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Exactly, and it was never overpowered it just added a bit more fun and variety to the game, when I played wotlk as Enha, i used all kind of macros to swap weapons, to use a shield before rogue was about to open on me etc… Now the game is so limiting
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Given that the only reason people ever equipped a two hander on a shaman in the past was for a windfury one-shot meme build, I’d say it is extremely unlikely that you’re ever gonna see it again.
- It was the only way to play enhancement.
- Everyone had 1 shot cookie cutters. Warlocks did 7k soulfires.
- No one expects windfury to 1 shot people in wow 10.0
- Auto attack damage is <%5 now
- Every single ability is normalized
- Effect of held weapon’s stat/type is changed and heavily normalized 3 expensions ago.
- People still want it.
For me, it’s the class fantasy. Everyone has their own reasons. Nostalgia maybe a valid one too. It’s not much to ask…
I mean, i’m sure people remember fondly of purge not costing anything while removing 2 buffs. People are not asking for it right? It would be stupid to ask for that.
2 handed enhancement is not stupid to ask.
Edit: windfury is nothing now. Without doom winds, its something you put on your weapon and forget. It’s a small fraction of your damagei like a trinket. Most boring part of enhancement imo. Just remove it for all i care.
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Exactly, people did it to have fun, not to abuse it or anything so why take it away from us? Just to make the game more limiting and monotonous, now it seems blizzard doesn’t want you to have fun anymore.
1 more thing btw, to people saying 1shots are not returning.
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windfury nearly -never- 1shots people if you opponent is equally geared. If you go into bg with full gear and find some mage with 2k hp than yeah. You can 1 shot em.
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There are lots of specs that can 2shot you right now in arena. It’s just enhancement isn’t one of them. On top of it, that extreme burst isn’t on proc. They can plan it. Locks, mages, rogues?
Loveless, one of the best enhancement shamans in arena, has this video. Where he “pre-walls” kidney shot and still gets destroyed by rogue+mage from %100 to %0. While he is necrolord.
Do you get that? That is the most tanky moment you can be with an enhancement shaman and you still get killed in 4 seconds. It doesn’t get any more 1 shot than that. Honorable mention: convoke.
Even if people wants 2h to dish out amazing burst. That’s a fine thing to ask as well. Everyone else has it!
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I really hope 2h comes back but the WF animation is just terrible nowadays. I don’t even know what the animation and VFX artists are doing at this point. Do they even have a taste, or are they just bored out of their minds? Imagine having better animations in 2004.
Off the top of my head I can think of 3 things that need improvement in order to have a nice 2h enh back. Fix WF animation. Fix auto attack sound (this goes for all classes). Improve auto attack damage.
Do you think blizzard will even read this tho ? Seems like this forum is dead
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im not much aware of their philosophy and decisions , but srsly what is their reason not to let us play 2 hander? while thrall himself plays 2h with that weapon (i remember wod cinematics thrall using 2 handed like marad as a paladin did was so cool )
if they make different weapon enhancements ,frost ,fire,wind,lightning,and earth elements , each having good mechanisms attached to them ,baseline , and provide unique playstyle , then tune them to have double ,or even tripple effects on 2 hander (cause you have one enhancement instead of 2 in dual wielding) and also let lava lash be an off-hand AND 2 hand ability , there would be no restriction for players not to use 2 handers just because their design makes it not valuable .
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You beat me to this topic… there is NO EXCUSE for them NOT to do it! Is what will make more shamans be back to the game and they delayed this for soo long… 10 years I think… Blizzard MAKE THIS HAPPEN!
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Yes true, I don’t even mind not being able to use lava lash that’s how it was before aswell, but I dont’t understand why stormstrike requires you to have dual wield…
It was a change for simplicity. Simply saying, enh was using dual wield, so they made those weapons needed for their abilities.
On your original topic, I do not think bringing “back” 2 handed stormstrike would be a problem.
But bringing back 2handed stormstrikes does not mean that enh can be played with a 2h weapon. Most people would not be ok with that, and since blizzard is not ready to commit the resources needed to redesign the spec around 2h weapons, they do not bother.
From my point of view, I do not see where this would help anyone (since you can already equip, just not use your abilities with them), but sure, no problem with that returning.
What do you mean it doesn’t mean enha can be played with 2h weapon, it was like that back in the day, it wasn’t strong or anything not many people played it, I’m not asking to redesign the whole class, just asking for what once used to be in the game, so we can have more fun as we used to back in the day
It was never an “option” after vanilla.
I mean, sure, you could equip a 2h weapon and you actually had a 2h weapon for the first 40 levels, but after that you never equipped it again (speaking for tbc onwards that dual wield was introduced).
What you describe as an “option” was actually just the ability to equip a weapon and hit stuff. The damage you did with 2h was so far behind your dual wield build that you could not play it in ANY group setting because people would just call out your trolling.
You kind of have that right now. You can equip a 2h weapon and kill mobs in the open world/play solo, but you cannot join any form of organized or challenging content and do well.
well, thats the point , and thats what everyone wants , they want bliz to design it the way its considered an “Option” and make competetive numbers . sure we can “Equip” 2 handed weapon the same as a warrior can wield a dagger and become a joke .
you are right , we could equip that , and however that was never near dual wielding in terms of beging competetive . if you ask me ,that was just a tuning and designing and scaling problem , not a fundamental problem . not something Imposible to design , surely if we get a programmer and get a free server , we can design a 2handed shaman completely as good as a ret paladin .
there is 2 solutions , one , which is harder , is what i mentioned a few posts before , to design weapon enhancements and abilities to become usable with 2 handed weapons along side one handed weapons , have a good scaling , and interesting mechanisms attached to it .
second one , which is an easy one , is to just make lava lash and stormstrike usable with 2 handed weapons , and scale procs like windfury ,Maelstrom weapon , etc … to have a normalized chance so having a low speed 2 handed weapon attack equiped , won’t kill the mechanisms and playstyle and flow of enhancements game play.
Did you even play back in the day? Looks like not, you are right it wasnt an option but people still played it for fun, not in serious pvp/pve obviously, but in bg’s world pvp etc… yes they did play it for fun, even after tbc, I was one shotting people in wotlk with 2 hander. You saying you have the same option now, only because you can equip 2h that’s bs, because you can’t use stormstrike with it like you could back in the day.
I will try to not get defensive with your tone, but still you can check that question.
If you bothered to check you would see that I am playing well before 2008 (4th wow birthday), and even have achievements from vanilla (pvp title: scout).
On the other hand, the first wow birthday on your account is from 2014, so excuse me for saying that I doubt your claims.
Now here you are either straight up lying, or you are referring to one shotting under level players in open world.
After Vanilla you could NEVER one shot an appropriate level opponent with WF, mainly because they changed it in tbc. During 60, it was possible because WF could proc from itself, so while rare, it was possible to get a wf chain that one shot another player.
This was changed in tbc with the introduction of DW, and a 3 second internal cd was put in place. This made it impossible to get big WF chains and “one shot” people.
Keep in mind, that trying to find historic precedent in your preference is not needed. It is ok to just want “an option to play 2h enhance shaman” with that having no historic precedent in the modern game. All I was pointing out is that I find it hard, given the state of the game at the moment and the resources needed.
Why would I be lying? If you were full PVE you could easily one shot people, had loads screenshots on my old pc, not under level players, but cloth/leather you could, If wf procs when you stormstriked, 28-30k crits