I dont and thats why I am not talking things which I dont know about. Like you. Who didnt show any ranks either.
See you next time Mr.IAmpretendingIAmHighRatedButIKnowNuttin
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I see, except i actually know what iâm talking about.
This conversation is over, feel free to embarrass yourself more if you want though, but as far as iâm concerned itâs over.
And wheres the proof mister? In your head?
Thatâs not a problem of rotation, but rather a problem of hard capped aoe.
Enhance aoe is pretty great as long as youâre between 2 to 7/8 targets, and then it will lose out compared to specs like destro, or most uncapped specs.
100% haste is not clunky, itâs just fast, i mean, you should know this, since you also play dh apparently, and dh haste is basically 50 % with almost 0 modifiers in meta after you cast eye beams, it doesnât take much to get to 100 %, add lust to the mix, and you are close to 100 % already on dh.
But if you are doing considerably more damage on lower geared alts, itâs probably because you are not playing enhance to full effectiveness, itâs actually very good in m+ right now, just not ultra high target aoe.
The crash lightning idea is not great though, it takes away agency from the player, and could proc when you donât want it, as a result lose damage. Or do other unexpected or unwanted things.
What they should actually do is probably to apply the extra damage from chain lightning to the whole duration of crash lightning, and make it completely uncapped, so basically you have your strong 6 target cleave abilities like frost shock, and then crash lightning actually does some damage at high targets. And there you go, you fixed enhance low damage at high targets like in academy.
Just ignore this DH Ilyon, he does not want enhance to shine in our best days.
He plays 3 button class and dont want anyone to be 3 button class, he wants enhance to be rng oriented proc based fast spaming skillorama while being worst spec in pvp due to haste not working for melee cause of target disconnections.
I would rather hit hard than poke the target.
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Here is the thing mate, usually people who brags about how much they know what they are talking about, they always do not know what they are talking about.
DH is easy spec, there is nothing complicated about the rotation, there is rarely or even none if you chose talents right when it comes to procs or rng, played it, took me 2 days to get to 1.8k in SS so please save your little speech.
2nd - enhance has been relying on rng since day 1; Windfury. This was always RNG and remain RNG an will be as long as this skill or weapon imbue should I say, exists.
Stormflurry is a nice gesture, but BECAUSE of that talent Stormstrike alone will deal peanuts in PvP and I mean it, yes it is on low cd, yes it has procs of resetting cd of itself to be even funnier, HOWEVER we get to the point that Enhance is relying on most of itâs damage either on Lava Lash build up crap build OR RNG from WF and SS.
Now, when it comes to Haste, I havenât had a single situation on Arena that I was able to maintain 100% haste, even though I am build for Haste, There is a big difference though between DH and Enhance you see, Eye Beam have 15% haste bonus and 40 seconds cd that you have a modifier for to lower its CD, that can even go to 25 seconds, while BL PvP version is 20% but 1 min cd and there is no way of lowering it down. On top of that Your mega CD; Metamorphosis is 3 min and last how long? Thats right 24 seconds! While Ascendance is on 3 min cd with whopping 15 seconds duration, WOW!
Of course there has to be differences between main cd or burst cd, but there are specs that have certain burst windows MUCH lower than enhance.
I think Enhance is one of if not the most complex rotation both pve and pvp and there is almost zero reward for doing it correct, and by correct I do not mean playing the meta because it is a matter of opinion and choice, and thats what MMORPG should be about, CHOICE, so you choose what style of this spec you want to play.
And playing enhance on max lvl for 2 days is not enough to understand the spec, people has been flooding these forums for years and will really small amount of success.
So please mate, do yourself a favour, and just stop pretending like you know something about Enhancement, because you have zero clue. And looking at the fact that you main DH tells something about you.
Itâs called FOTM syndrome.
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I see people canât help but to embarrass themselves.
By the way, i wasnât even the one to start with the whole argument about skills, and looking at your logs and general exp, you shouldnât be opening your mouth.
Thatâs about it, anyone else wants to go on the ignore list, so i can stop wasting time with people like you?
Please do say so, it just makes my life a little bit easier.
If you are the type of player to blurt out bs on specs that you barely understand, please do say so, so i can just ignore whatever you have to say and move on.
Like your points donât even pass the straight face test, to be brutally honest, you people just donât know wtf you are talking about.
I tried to make you think a little more, but it just wonât happen apparently, so now itâs just ignore. You guys just fundamentally do not understand what you are talking about, and yet you guys are so sanctimonious in your lack of understanding itâs unbelievable.
And frankly a little bit laughable that you guys are trying to make points about skills, a thing that i didnât bring up originally, you guys did make it about skill when you talked about how dh is the easiest class, and i know nothing about enhancement, assuming both that i donât play other classes, after i made it abundantly clear that i do, and assuming that dh is the easiest one, which is just plain wrong too, and shows your lack of actual knowledge even more. And yet you didnât even do the bare minimum of checking who you are talking to. Meaning that you probably donât know how to do that, and further cementing your lack of understanding.
Iâm not claiming to be the best player, but compared to you? Lol.
Lol this is hillarious, there is probably this guys brother on the classic forum ⌠DH, barges into every thread, sprouts absolute garbage, blocks everyone who disagrees with him xD
Anyone else?
Well given the fact that you have 0 honorable kills and honor level 24 on your profile I would say you are straight up troll that use some lvl 70 character for it, or simply got banned on âmainâ account for cheating or anything along side it.
Again, expert on what you are saying all the time I see, playing all specs or classes is not being on a high pvp level on all of them, so go back to where you came from.
And I suggest to go back to DH section to cry about how critical damage will get nerfed in 10.1 and all your Essence Break and Crit Damage will be garbage in next season.
This guy is a straight up clown, that thinks he is absolute god in this game including PvP, yet his profile has nothing to show for, and on top of that blocks people who has actually valid points as they were playing Enhance spec for past X years.
Waste of space and time with this guy.
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Ah yea, high lvl pvp, never even got over 1550, clearly you know.
Just shut it, seriously. You donât know wtf you are talking about.
Delusional.
You wanna throw stones, and call me a clown? I can do that 10 times better than you dude.
Just remember, you made it personal, not me.
everyone in this thread is somewhat right and somewhat wrong.
Our Damage is most fine, in M+ its A tier, PVP itâs a solid B tier imo, We have builds for ridiculous burst - it is somewhat RNG reliant during Ascendance and it takes abit of setup (Wolves, LotFW, Lust and DW) but it chunks hard, we can go for a more âsustained buildâ using DRE, I say sustained loosely - its more short more frequent burst spikes.
Enh isnât a build for someone who wants to chill, but that is indeed the fun, youâve almost always got something to press. Having said that we could do with removing some spells /changing them. Ice Strike can go, just have LL buff Frosh shock or just buff the baseline, make WF totem an Aura or castable buff that lasts an hour or whatever.
Enhâs biggest issue is survivabiltiy (and abit of mobility though it is better in 10.0.7) we need another wall / an âUh oh!â button and maybe some passive damage reduction through LS.
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sure, here i go.
enhance in df ia the worst iteration it has ever been.
it has useless button bloats that are enforced on you because the devs are sad that nobody ever wanted to pick that trash talent called ice strike.
the fact that you have not enough talenta to pick guaranteed msw on stormstrike in an aoe build is just trash.
primordial wave is the third worst thing happened to enhance after forceful winds and stormstrike reset.
and dont @me, i play enhance for 18 years as main. at least got to 2.1k arena rating (not trying and only wanted gear), sitting on 2.4k rio atm (only cause no time to and fun to push more)
not raiding because bored.
so next please
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To begin with the argument was never about skill, they made it so, when they started talking trash.
My original argument was just about logical consistency.
Anyway, if you think enhance in df is itâs worst iteration, you are frankly not thinking.
If you wanna go back to mop enhancement, that had very significant problems, and an extremely static rotation, just boring.
The ss reset is not a problem, it happens more that enough times where you donât feel like you are proc starved. Forceful winds is kinda annoying, mostly because doomwinds is not baseline. Ice strike is fine, and button bloat is a subjective problem at best for enhancement, there is no button that feels out of place. Everything does something that is felt on the rotation.
But they should change elemental assault to add lava lash msw proc during hot hand at least, or just have a 50/75% chance to proc 1 msw when you use lava lash, so it would be good for elemental build too, also because generating more msw is just nice in itself.
These are all objective facts. Whether you like the rotation or not, is not my problem, but donât make stuff up. To insinuate that enhance is in itâs worst place ever, is just absurd, youâre either living in your own fantasy, or havenât really thought about this much.
By the way, thanks thorack for saying something actually intelligent in this pathetic excuse of a âdiscussionâ. Id argue that itâs not apm that makes things difficult, but rather interactions, for example, arcane is pretty low apm, which would lead you to believe that itâs a easy class, itâs not.
My bad should have made that bit clear, when i was talking about my alts feeling âstrongerâ i was meaning specifically in single target. I do have a DH and recently a demo lock but legit never play them. My DH is just in pvp gear and use him only for leatherworking lol but what i was referring to is that when i tested single target damage on both my lock and DH at significantly lower gear than my shaman i was doing almost the same single target vs the dummy.
Enhance is good in mythic plus and most pulls are only 6 targets or less which is enhancements cap
But enhance st damage is not really bad.
With enhance you can have burst or pure sustain depending on your talent setup, you wonât get levels of burst as high as unholy, not even close, but either way, st damage is not bad at all, especially compared to havoc or demo, which are about in line with enhancement in terms of st damage. Itâs about middle of the pack, around 5/7% below the upper tier of st damage.
If anything the major problem with enhance is aoe when you have more than 6 targets.
See this is something that you missing here, I never said that Enhance needs Damage boost, and im gong to quote you here:
âYoU ClEaRlY HaVe No IdEa WhAt YoU ArE tAlKiNg AbOuT!â
All I said here was the RNG of the spec is way too high, and needs alteration or changing. I have no problem with damage what so ever, However SS is a bit a wet lettuce slap from time to time, WF is the main damage with physical build here, which is fine, but I have 0 control over it apart from Doom Winds Talent.
Sustainability is a problem here, aka Healing in PvP that is way to low compared to some other hybrid specs.
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SV suffered from the same problem in Legion. You had to spin 100 plates for very little return. What did Blizz do? They completely changed the spec to give it a ranged toolkit with 1 core melee ability. I find it horrible to play now so be careful what you wish for.
why you keep apologising?
Enhance is fun in pvp to you find every other spec in the game is stronger than you
Resto is fun in pvp to you find out, disc priest power word shield shields for 200k on 5 sec cd.