Enhancement Shaman PvP Situation in TWW

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Alright, lets try to break it down.
About the extremes… I mentioned Snupys challenge earlier, where Enh absolutely deleted someone in seconds. Is it really fair to give such a spec more uptime on targets? No, because its exactly kiting, that allows many specs to survive Enhs burst. Without it, u should force all your cooldowns just to survive. Getting deleted from 100 to 0 in 2.5 seconds isnt healthy gameplay.

As for bringing up other specs… thats actually the only fair way to approach it. If you only play one spec, even at a decent level, and you feel like that spec has issues, how can you really judge without understanding what problems other classes are dealing with? And what if some of those issues are way worse? So why should your spec get buffs over others? Because of low ladder representation? I already explained why Avines is behind someone like Raiku - its not because Avines plays Enh, it is because he s just not on the same level. And those top tier players who could show what Enh is capable of, just prefer to do it on other classes. Not because Enh is weak, but because other classes offer more flexibility. Like i said before, Enh is locked into Turbo, while Ele can flex into a bunch of comps. Its not just about Ele being stronger - its the mechanics: ranged, good synergy with rest casters and melees with Mortal.
Now imagine if Enh had Mortal Wounds. That alone might open up new comp possibilities - like playing with a Mage or SP. Maybe you wouldnt even need buffs. For those who keep playing Turbo, nothing would change - Mortal is already there via the Warrior. But for those looking to try new things, they might suddenly discover the spec is actually competitive.

I joined this discussion because honestly, i keep seeing, and i dont mean to offend anyone, lot of “whining” from Enh players. But lets be real, does Enh actually need buffs right now?

  1. There s at least one whole class, not just a spec, thats in a worse state than Enh - DK.
  2. Enh is one of, if not the most, unpopular specs in the game. This isnt new, its always been like that.
  3. Will Enh bring more diversity or make PvP more interesting if it suddenly rises in popularity? No - its locked in one comp by Blizzards own design, and if more people pick it up, the ladder just becomes more stale and one dimensional.
  4. Would it be fair for a 2k exped Enh to suddenly be on par with players 500 exp above them? No, thats not fair at all.

So yeah, Enh has problems - but not the ones everyone of u keep shouting about. If you step outside of grinding just one spec, you ll see every class has issues. Enhs real issue is lack of flexibility. Its been stuck in one comp since WoD and hasn’t evolved. If you want the spec to grow and attract strong players, its not about brute force buffing it into the top, that just bloats the top of the ladder with someones that hasnt earned its place. What Enh really needs is a rework - and the first thing to ask Blizzard for should be - Mortal Wounds. That change alone could finally let Enh step into real arena play and leave behind the “10 iq comp” Turbo prison its stuck in now.
And yeah, sadly, these changes wont happen overnight. It ll take time for new comps to form, and the meta to adapt. But that slow path is the only real way to revive your favorite spec.

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I dont know what you smoking, but it sounds unhealthy

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Your comment is a perfect confirmation of my point. You have no arguments to refute my position, so you just resort to insults :slight_smile: Thanks for your input. I think if Blizzard paid attention to this discussion and how it ended, they d come to the same conclusion i just did. Enh doesnt need buffs, the real problem with Enh is the people who play it: those incapable of critical thinking and logical reasoning. Good luck in solo shuffle and with your beloved turbo in 3s! :slight_smile:

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Dude you are ret paladin and not that high exp/cr as i am 2800 ele and top R10 as enhance the last time i played enhance i made ret alt and oh god you can’t complain or don’t understand anything about enhance problems , having ret alt i have half my keybinds free with your 5 button spec , enhance doesn’t have anything like freedom for immunity of gap closer like 2 charges or bubles and 2 defensives .
Enhance atm is worst melee to pvp as feral lunge is stupid without any daze/slow effect people just walk away from it with normal speed and they are already out of range , we don’t have any stun on demand , we don’t have infinite hex without cd like you have Repetance , we also don’t have any slow immunity like hand of freedom so pls go back to pala forums unless once in your life try to play enhance spec CLOWN.

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Its good changes for passive dps outside of burst but nothing will be worth if and won’t apply if we can’t stick on our target or have slow immunity with buff/change to our gap closers , atleast should have 2 feral lunges + they should slow/daze the target , our spirit walk should have Slow immunity on it baseline atm its worthless it removes 1 slow/root and you get insta slowed again it has 0 functionality when every other class has built in slow effect on their baseline dps abilities sadly .

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I am just not going to waste my time by replying to all the nonsense you are writing here. Me and a lot of other players stated the same issues of enh shaman in PvP. Even skillcapped said the same in their latest videos, even if you dont care about their Videos.
I am playing enh now over 10 years. I also play ret since 2010. I know when there is a big issue with my Main classes, and what a surprise other players said the same about the issues.
So, you can talk as much as you want here and try to spread nonsense, but you arent going to achieve anyhting with it. You dont even play the class. I dont know which enh Player hurt you that much.

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Ahahaha you provide blitz experience and who after this will say that enhas are not morons? You have zero exp as ret even I had 2k mmr when I played for five days as a enh just once in a life, haha you guys are so pathetic its even hilarious :smiley: it’s like in that movie with jim carrey and jeff daniels each new commentator tries to surpass the previous one in stupidity

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“Me and a lot of other players stated the same issues of enh shaman in PvP.” - Let me correct you there: “you and other enh players who barely didnt step outside your spec/setup bubble.”

Spending time discussing things with someone whos played nearly every class and most specs, with at least modest success across many of them, is way more valuable than whining that your favorite class doesnt feel strong enough to you and other enhs.

Im actually trying to help, ive laid out tons of arguments showing that what youre asking for wont really fix enh. Right now, theres no solid justification for buffs. DKs, Augs, and plenty of other underrepresented specs are struggling too. Even some more popular and engaging specs are in rough shape and need reworks or buffs.

If Blizzard buffs a spec that only functions in one comp, were just gonna get a flood of boring, annoying turbo again - its happened before. Buffing mobility or damage wont fix enhs core problem: its shackled to turbo. Think about it. Is it really good if 1800 exped enhs flood the ladder up to 2100 just by running turbo? Isnt Thunder (ele, warr, healer) enough? Im not present one class, and i dont hate enh. Im just pointing out the obvious - even some enhs mentioned it here.

What you actually lack is Mortal Wounds. Give enh that, and suddenly it can work in other comps. Then over time, we can see what actually needs tuning - maybe its mobility, maybe not. You just dont know yet, because youre playing solo shuffle, losing to melees with Mortal or casters who pair better with other casters.

And if Blizzard does read these forums, what do they see? A wall of 2k exp players whining that their class is weak and how they wish they had other specs tools, and more of this, more of that? Try being constructive for once. Enh is a slave to one comp - because it lacks Mortal. Once it gets that freedom, we ll finally see what the spec needs. Until then, your cries sound like kids begging for candy without wanting to do the work.

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“Me and a lot of other players stated the same issues of enh shaman in PvP.” - Let me correct you there: “you and other enh players who barely didnt step outside your spec/setup bubble.”

Big words for someone who hides behind a lvl 60 char with a bought(?) gladiator title.

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Hm, for me personally mobility just isn’t the core issue with Enhance. For me the core issue is falling behind in damage due to globals spend on healing/totems/purges/hexes etc. In my shuffles (2.3+mmr) I rarely feel that mobility is an issue. That said, I am playing Stormbringer. I suppose Totemic has more problems with up-time.

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I can show you personaly, all the achievements ive got - way more than whats visible on this character. I picked this one as a neutral choice, not tied to any specific class, but with at least one Glad title to avoid the usual “what do you know, you’re just a 2k player” comments.

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Who speaks about mmr ? your ret brain is showing , i have been top 10 enhance blitz and ele past 2 seasons atm i am 2768 as ele dropped enhance after being R7 on it this start of season 2 and dropped it because it became a clown spec , my holy paladin alt has 2.8k mmr with 2.4k exp on it shuffle/blitz as ret i had same mmr close to 2.4k cr past seasons with less then 20-30 games played same i got on my resto/boomy druid and those are only alts that people play when they are bored from the game.

Ya dingus ret is so ez using literly 50% less abilities then enhance sham while having 3 gap closers that actually make you immune to slows and last so much time that you can stick to target + all your abilities are ranged anyway unlike enhance that needs to get close to generate any bursting potential , i cant stand rets 1 ability of theirs does same as 2 lava lashes or 3 storm strikes combined and speak about some “EXP” you guys are on par with skill cap just like DH has been when it came out all you need to do is HOJ click your 30sec burst CD for wings and spam for more then enhance will ever do , if target gets away you just freedom+Horsie not like you even need them because everything for you is ranged besides auto attack , and if we speak about past EXP then sry to say i had 2.4k in rated bgs before blitz even came out .

Lets take a look how much ppl play ret cose its so easy and well rounded spec for new players and those that cant play piano , there is literly x14.3 times more rets above 2.4k (185 above 2400) then enhance shams(13 above 2400) and it speaks volumes , so take your 3 button spec out of our piano spec forums and go buble hearthstone with templar 7-8Mil crit somewhere else ya ranged spec with 100000 defensives.

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Actually after being forced to go totemic to atleast push for some rating in season 2 it is easier then Stormbringer (They nerfed it hard from season 1) Totemic got more ranged abilities which help you to build free instant Lightning bolts undependant on maelstrom stacks which helps with being kited 24/7 so you have like 20% more uptime as totemic then stormbringer.

That’s also our problem we dont have any instant CC or Stun on demand like other specs have , we have to cast Hex while other specs have Blind(rogue)/fear(warrior)/Blinding light(Like that ret lurker here)/Strangulate(Dks)/The frost blind(DKs)/Cage (DH)/Trap (Melee hunter) , i took melees only for example that’s also huge reason that we lose uptime because we are forced to “Hard cast” our hex and can get kicked on locking almost all our other abilities , we also don’t have any stun on demand Cap totem has delay before doing misserable 3 sec stun but no one even takes it from how trash it is so people pick “Lightning lasso” which also i won’t count as stun as we can’t do anything with it just channel it… while others have Hoj/Dk strangulate stun/warrior’s bolt stun/Dh’s nova/Melee hunters pet stun/Dk’s pet stun… and then we add gap closers and slow immunities which gives a lot of Uptime loss from being kited and unable to pin targets down.

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Can you plz stop embarrassing yourself with such statements :rofl:

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Good point.

A MS effect is certainly the first step in the path of pvp relevancy for enhancement.

However, I made my mine thinking to myself that enhancement would never get a MS effect, or any kind of high value treatment regarding PvP. I’d love for a thorough rework, but I’m skeptical about seeing one.

I always chase after the most easy fixes to enhancement, and, I see a mobility & survivability (to a lesser degree) as easy things to implement without changing too much things. Seeing how Enhancement’s been treated for the past 10 years in PvP (only from my experience as I started playing in Legion), this is the kind of bone that is most likely to be thrown our way.

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Hello Kaivax,

Cdew said that enhancement shaman is C Tier.
We still need buffs. Thank you.

Xoxo ya boi Fabulousyo

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