Enhancement Tweaks

Classes Shaman
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Well don’t learn how to fake cast then, but don’t come crying after instant sh*t on forums. Cdew didn’t become Cdew over night. Just because X class has an instant silence doesn’t mean Y class has to have a similar thing aswell. Class diversity. Good at different stuff. It’s not like Shadow Priest and Enhance was built for the same crap either way my friend.

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Big words from multi rank1

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we cant argue when you think that you can actually use HEX or Cap totem in ANY world pvp, 1v1 or 2v2 pvp.

I wish I had such luck to find players who will sit 3 sec and wair your cap. totem to burst.

  • DK can interup you 8 times.
  • Enh can 2. Sunder +Sheer.
  • Cap totem is non usable in PvP where brain is involved. Macro kill it or just MOVE. * Hex gets interupted ALWAYS.
  • And yes casting 3 heals cost you 3 GCDs while rogue needs ONE to heal same amount, doesnt waste 60 maelstrom thus loosing a lot of DPS, all his mana, got Shadow Cloack, Vanish, Blind-> restealth.

So yeah I find rogues Faint + Pot 30%hp to be a LOT more survivability than Enhances 3 heals which is 3 GCDs and 60% our resources both Mana and Maelstrom.

p.s: Sin and Outlaw exceeded us in every way but after last buffs to Sub, they are on par with sustained dps and do like twice the burst of Enhance. Not to mention 12% HP for every Shadowdance on top of all…

I still cant believe that in 1v1 or 2v2 PvP vs Mages or other classes l, you say Enhance with Windsheer and Sundering can interupt another player more than DK with 6 disruptive spells.

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it’s 2 seconds actually. You can slow them aswell.

No, we already went through that.

It is, you just have to use your brain a little, and not stun randomly like some rets do. But yeah, I do want cap to be instant, but whatever.

There are many things you can do to counter this, slow + ghost wolf into hex, sunder into hex, some racials, help from your teammates, CC them with something else first, and fake cast.

What would a rogue be without these abilities? They are a stealth class, they are built around CC and stealth, shaman obviously isn’t. Shaman is a totemic warrior. I’d argue that Grounding is in some cases better than Cloak.

Yeah but can they bloodlust an ally or reduce an ally’s cooldowns by 30-40% for 10 seconds?

Still, yeah, Enhance is bad, but some other specs actually have it just as bad.

Well then. Don’t believe me, simple.

Where do you get 6 from?

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It’s called thinking for a few seconds, atleast admit that I’m right.

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You are no way rigtht with an attitude like learn this stop crying bla bla. You are just toxic

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Well you must understand that hearing people cry over and over, whilst not trying to work around it make people around those tired. There are simple fixes. I’ve already listed them. Call me toxic all you want, but you still know I’m right.

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Yea your wall of text fixes doesnt make ppl tired. And i dont know if you are right since i dont read them

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This was a pathetic come back.

My wall of texts actually makes cracks me up when I read them again.

Well I have to explain to Ljutica about how other classes work, aswell as arguing about Enhance changes. And how to work around problems. You keep crying, I keep answering, you say I make you tired, I say it’s because you are trying to come up with excuses.

I suggest you go read them, some of them are funny imo

whoopsie

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Where do you get 6 from?

Well you said alone earlier:

  • Asphyxiate = 4 second stun, 45 sec CD.
  • Pet stun 2 sec if Transformed (1 Min CD, reduced by 1 sec per Death Coil, but no one uses Death Coil) otherwise it’s 1 second.
  • Pet Kick 2 sec, however your pet can only interrupt from range, so if your pet where to attack your target, it wouldn’t be able to interrupt it. You’d have to make it target something else first, and this is only available during Dark Transformation, 1 minute cooldown.
  • Death Grip really isn’t a CC, sure you CAN use it to interrupt someone’s cast, but it’s not like you do it the whole time, plus it only works on casters.
  • The other ones you can talent into are talents no one uses. So basically, they don’t exist, and even if you were to use them, you’d replace your stun, or make the cooldown of Remorseless Winter 45 seconds, not to mention that they have to get 5 stacks first.

Anyway, comparing our CC totem with other classes insta-cast and insta-effect CC-s which don’t require your teammate’s help to be useful or require you to be a Tauren to Stomp >CCtotem . Enh is just sad.
And if you didn’t met people who spam macro to target and attack CCtotem in Arenas or world PvP than I am sad. But Its something I do constantly vs other shamans and Ive never got hit with CC-Totem in PvP. From any reason. Except when I am Rooted by other enemy, or Stunned from other enemy. Which wont happen in world PvP. And you will usually Trinket to avoid such combo wasting Shaman’s only CC, and effectively avoiding 2 CCS.

Anyway. You seem to ignore the fact that Shaman got 5MUCH less tools in his Kit regarding Defensives and CC spells, one of the comparison is DH who got 5 of defensive CD-s and ton of mobility/Utility ones over US. Is amazing duelist and 2v2 even got viable 3v3 comps. Like UNholy DK, Almost any Druid/Rogue/Mage/Warr/Hunter/Lock classes. There are only 1 or two comps where Enhance can provide more than any other class in any field. Be it DPS/CC or survivability. Im out for tonight, I really don’t have time to waste on corrupt Shaman class anymore. 6 years were enough really. More than enough actually.

Me fighting here is just a slight part of love left for our Shaman friends, who i still see around and kill helplessly every time I see them in open world or arena or BG for that matter. And just feel bad for it, but what gives a free kill is a free kill…

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Where did i do that

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One thing is Hex for Ele or Resto. classes who try to keep distance. And Enh who is Melee.
Having to drop slow totem, run away and THAN cast Hex is something that Enh doesnt need in any form of CC spell. For that kind of trouble that Hex better persist through all the damage in thia world lol.
Have fun with the Crap class that will never be fixed and be on par with other classes as it was in BC, WOTLK, Even Cata to some exten and especially in MOP. Have fun because there won’t be any to be had in the dirrection Enhance is going and the community with it.

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I count 4, 1 being hard to use and only usable on casters(pet kick), and 1 which is only really effective vs casters (grip).

Yeah but most of theirs is pure Single target CC. Most of enhancements CC is aoe CC. Do you expect to setup a kill purely by yourself as an enhancement? You are a support spec, you support others. They CC then you CC. We already talked about how we wanted stun to be instant.

I did.

Seems like I meet better players than you meet all the time, after all, I’m in a WPVP focused guild.

No. Just because DHs have the possibility of having 5 defensives cooldown doesn’t mean that Enhance should have the same. Again, class diversity. Good at different things. You actually don’t use Rain from Above in arenas that often, it’s used very rarely, and since you only talk about arenas, that effectively makes it 4 def cds. I’d say Enhance’s utility is on par with Demon Hunters.

Enhancement does have 20% dmg reduction + 3% every few sec in ghost wolf aswell, so you COULD if you really want to, count that as an extra defensive.

2 defensives.

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Scroll up and read.

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Hard troll is hard ^

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You want to argue with sh*t arguments, I argue back with proper ones. You then say I’m a troll. I say that’s just an excuse you have for losing over and over.

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Are you talking about where i say it can be instant with a talent like dhs?

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Well these would be the crying I suppose.

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But i am not crying about game or shamans. I am trying to make you respectable non toxic person. Not a rabid dog like you are

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all i hear is whine whine whine :rofl: :joy: