I quite like a campaign to give an expansion some structure.
BUT
I don’t want all the quests to be campaign quests.
I want to be able to skip bits on alts.
I want more side quests for world building and for different questing experience on my alts.
Playing TBC is a little too unstructured. You just run around doing whatever quests you find and there is little overarching story. You hear about Illidan or Kael Thas sometimes but you barely know who they are unless you read wowwiki.
MOP was a good balance of structured questing but without being overly mandated.
Perhaps an AddOn could be developed that linked together a string of quests that had a cohesive narrative for TBC or Wrath but would take some work to put together.
No need for such rudeness. I gave my opinion of how I like to see the game work.
Was I QQing? Complaining? No, I stated how I like to see the game work.
There is roughly 1 levels worth of side quests in SL zones. That’s not even enough for your first alt to get much of a leveling experience different from you first run.
If you choose Threads of Fate for an alt then you would get roughly four levels doing every side quest in all the zones. Which leaves you needing six more levels from somewhere (I choose Pet Battles, slow but still). And didn’t offer any new experiences for your next alt.
Added later after players gave feedback saying they didn’t want to repeat the same campaign over and over and over. I had to do the Maw a few times before I gave up on alts until they did bring in the Maw skip.
These are a good addition although could be better.
Of course I do. SL had very few side quests. Interviews have said there will be more in Dragoflight. This is good, I hope they follow through on this.
Have you signed the new Social Contract yet? Did you lie and click Accept?
I actually really enjoy levelling and questing. It’s one of my favourite parts of the game, in previous versions of the game anyways… I just don’t enjoy the campaign for the reasons stated at the top.
My GF started playing a while back and eventually wanted to try Shadowlands. One of the first things she asked when she entered the maw was: “when can I leave?” and that it was “cut scene overload” and that it was “cringe”. She also disliked the characters. I think the voice acting and personalities of them really doesn’t help matters. After I told her you couldn’t skip the campaign she said she wished she hadn’t bought Shadowlands and wished she had just made another character to level up in the old worlds again.
New players shouldn’t have to feel that way. It 100% needs to be skippable for new players and threads of fate given for everyone. Also flying should be just learnable from a trainer and all mandatory actions tied to the campaign cut. I have no problem with anyone who likes the campaign, it seems some of the people here really like it and that’s great. But people who hate it should be able to skip it. I personally quite like levelling with threads of fate active.
Do the objectives that take almost no time and about 1 and 1/2 zone’s worth of side quests badabing you’re 60. Certainly faster than dungeon spam in terms of XP, unless it’s timewalking.
I don’t think WoW is good for anybody new tbh, there is just too much of it now all squashed to get you to modern end game. It’s now all about the destination, not the journey. Sounds like Classic would be better for her.
I don’t really like the characters either, hopefully they will improve in Dragonflight. The new cinematics actually gave me a good feeling of tying up the end of SL and some hope for the future instead of all this doom and gloom end of the universe stuff.
The campaign will likely be irrelevant in Dragonflight, like the BfA one is now. I don’t think it is unreasonable for you to be expected to do it -once- on your account before you can skip everything, though.
Are the bonus objectives really that much?
I did them all in Ardenweald on a level 59 druid and it was less than one level for the five or six bonus objectives. Haven’t tried them on a level 50 though.
Even so, I’m not really needing a quick leveling experience for alts (although I did quite like the Legion Invasions for leveling up some alts to do the Order Hall mounts on alts) I looking for a varied experience on alts. Used to be (back in Wrath) you could level two or three alts with barely any repeated quests.
Weird, people tend to remember and like the vast majority of the Warcraft lore characters.
WoW’s story is a lot of things, the Shadowlands part of it is certainly not the best, but calling it thin is ridiculous.
The curse of being an mmo. Well, a huge amount of singleplayer games also contain these kind of quests.
You haven’t seen a lot of stories then. I wouldn’t even call WoW’s story nerdy compared to tons of videogame stories out there.
I wouldn’t say that a 20-30 minute long campaign quest means they are not focusing on these things, especially the raids and m+ that carries the game on its back since Legion. PvP stuff is certainly lacking though outside of new arenas here and there.
I certainly enjoy it more than doing the same things over and over for 2+ years and then continue to do it over and over again with different instances. Or the same instances when it comes to battlegrounds.
I dont give a crap about these (maybe bg). and im not the only one.
But since you are just a troll (hiding behind a classic char with 3 posts) im just feeding you.
I mean only in the sense of you didn’t need to do ALL the zones to get to max but it was still repeating the same thing. I believe they said in DF it is going to be slightly different and all zones will be relevant at max level but didn’t expand much on it.
the most important thing is the storyline need to be GOOD. Ive done the BFA, Legion.Wod,Pandaria,Wotlk,Cata,TBC,Classic questlines 2000000000000000000000000 times and im not bored (ok the some of them… arent the best) but in SL i did the mainquest just with my main and after i go just with ToF. And i hate both with all my strength.
Actually Parking many alts to 50 and waitin for next exp to level to 60 in another environment.
And that’s kind of what I’d like to see again.
If Shadowlands had been set up in a way where you picked you covenant in the Maw intro (by rescuing your soulbind from the prison of Torghast) and you leveled 50 to 60 with that covenant campaign (with the bits from the main campaign that related to you covenant). This would have given four different leveling experiences. So a main and three alts would have leveled without a single repeated (except the maw intro) quest. If you enjoyed one of them more than the other than another alt could play the same one over again.
Instead we get the majority of the covenant campaign at max level so we have to level up (repeating either the main campaign or a rather tedious Threads of Fate) before we get to experience a different story.
The Order Halls worked a bit like this with 12 different stories to level through. Although these campaigns were light on quests and experience but they still did give an alternative experience for alts.
