I’m now being told DH Tank has to kite too much and people just want to stand all the mobs still and nuke them down without having to use actual tactics like freeze traps and saps etc…
Sigh. Sad times to be a DH
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DH tanks is actually strong atm … but you do not just “tank” like other tanks do, you take aggro and dance around because we are squishy :))
At 8 and 9 keys mobs start hitting me for 10k through spikes.
Is this normal or a DH thing? This is with active mitigation.
Pretty much every tank gets spanked hard right now, but they usually got some cds to mitigate it, we got few, but not very effective, so just kite as much as possible, thats why I dont understand why people are calling out for veng nerf … we are squishy af, do not very impressive dmg ST (spirit bomb is kinda strong in aoe, but not that far ahead of other tanks) and we do not have any real cds so we just jump around … And it proves out to be the best strategy rn so people are running DH at 15+ … but that does not mean DH should get nerfed 
thats pretty normal i would say, the tanks i saw in 7 8 9 were usually closer to 190 + the legendary which does help a lot.
Plus the good thing about vengeance its not its tankiness but its damage … it does good damage which is very usefull in mythics.
Also i dont encourage anyone min maxing, but just saying kyrian sigil for vengefull is very very very good … i think it does 40% more dmg overall , basically almost doubling your dmg.
Yeah it’s pretty broken. Though I’d want to focus on raiding as Havoc so I’m pretty screwed.
So I heard that some Vengeance guys are kite tanking? Nuts.
With current gear, no tank goes in to face-tank a bigger or nastier pack on higher keys, not without some serious CDs. Some vengeance guys are really, really, really great at building a metric ton of threat in a short time, and then nope out of it fast when their CDs are used up.
For some fun stuff, I’d recommend Dratnos commentary on their HoA+15:
It’s both educational and fun to watch.
Yeah, big respect for making it work under difficult circumstances.
And I read that tanks threatoutput is getting buffed so that should make things somewhat easier.
The compsetup would still need Frostmages and Hunters I guess.
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Well, somewhat. Other tanks will be able to build threat and GTFO quicker. But VDH will still be king. The threat buff is nice, but… won’t really change anything.
What will change things, is gear. Once people aren’t running 15s in 185 gear, but 215+, that’ll be a whole different story.
Dratnos’ team didn’t have a hunter. There are quite many variations that can work, all you need is decent slows: hunters, frost mages, boomkins (treants + ursol’s vortex), shaman (earthbind totem), resto druid (ursol’s vortex) all contribute to the kiting kit. But for smaller pulls, a VDH can handle it on their own with Sigil of Chains and Misery. The reason Dratnos - and possibly other teams aswell - had the party help too is because they did some very, very large pulls, that took quite a bit of time to kill.
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Laughable what people say here
raider .io /mythic-plus-rankings /season-sl-1/all/world/leaderboards
take a look at the real parsed data. DH are godlike. All tanks have hard time playing their class, same is DH obviously as well but there is no other option for a high key except a DH tank.
I would say DH are fine, BUFF the rest tanks to be on par
FYI, you can wrap your links in backticks (`), and then you don’t need to make them obfuscated, making it easier to copy & paste! Works even if you don’t have TL3:
https://raider.io/mythic-plus-rankings/season-sl-1/all/world/leaderboards
Vengeance is pretty durable even without kitting, best tank atm.
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