OH no.
anyway
This forum is all some of the folks here got going. They can’t wrap their heads around not posting here or taking breaks or whatever. Ban is basically an equivalent of a “death threat” to them.
God Bless You All.
I tanked Grim Batol +8 tonight, and there is a lot of bullcrap in this dungeon.
For example this week we have this empowerement orb mechanic, and the third boss literally spawned on top of all the orbs, and we had to fight an extremely empowered version of it, so the fight took like 4 minutes.
But yeah, don’t get me started on the fact that every single member in the group had interrupt on CD and the casts that went through just randomly oneshot people. Blizz has a bit of screw loose I think.
I’m not going to read all of your post because frankly that amount of text is overwhelming so I’m just going to go by your title.
If you truly feel that way perhaps you should at least take a break from the game. You’re clearly exhausted in some fashion if you find so much of it to be irritating. I’m not suggesting you quit, but a change of pace in your gaming habits might be what you need. Games are supposed to be fun, and if a game is annoying enough to compell you to write a short novel then it’s clear that you need to fill at least some of your time with something else.
If u are bad at mechanics of bosses u are just bad nothing else too it. This raid doesnt really have a hard boss on normal tbh. On heroic it also doesnt seem bad. So i dont know wich boss u are struggling on but ye.
They’ve said this before but they’ve never actually managed to accomplish it.
Following the release of World of Warcraft’s first expansion in 2007, Blizzard announced plans to release expansions once per year. However, this rate of production was never delivered, with subsequent expansions arriving roughly every 2 years.
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They kind of managed it with Warlords of Draenor and Dragonflight, both of which lasted 20 months. Of course, Draenor was a different situation due to other issues. But:
- With them testing the waters with a fated season in Shadowlands
- Dragonflight lasting 20 months without cutting content (or at least without it seeming so)
- With Metzen saying in an interview that the plan is for players to complete the story of The Last Titan before the beginning of 2030 (
https://www.wowhead.com/news/the-worldsoul-saga-is-set-to-conclude-before-2030-335918)
the above give a total of 64 months (and a few days) since the release of The War Within till 31st December 2029. Broken into 3 expansions, it’s a little bit of 21 months for each. But we know that, unless we have some other force majeure event like the covid lockdowns, they won’t release Expansion #13 on 1st January 2030. If their plan is for Expansion #13 to release around September 2029, that’s 20 months max per World Soul saga expansion.
I find it hilarous that OP complains about toxicity and at the same time spews such hateful garbage. Not reading this wall of text btw, when OP behaves like that. Not worth my time.
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Its not the first time they are like this but oh well from now on i just avoid them.
nice list.
I would add: disappointing world. in war mode it feels empty.
mobs and NPC are different for different players. you see them fighting against nothing. too many instances even in the world.
The raid this expansion is incredibly pug friendly, it’s incredibly easy.
B 1-6 in normal i cleared in an hour this reset. B 1-4 in heroic is also very easy and puggable.
Many pugs still full clear tho, but i am fine with just B 1-4 heroic.
Is it PuG friendly because it’s easy?
It’s certainly a big factor, but not the only one.
Emerald Nightmare in Legion is probably the most PuG friendly raid. It was easy, but it was more than that.
It dropped mounts, pets, artifact power, glyphs and recipes, transmogs and quest progress, weapon skins, legendaries, and good gear.
There was a lot of reason to go there, so the PuGs would consist of fresh max level alts looking to get some gear, and well-equipped mains hoping to get a legendary, and others farming artifact power or collecting transmogs.
That really drove the community to run this raid a lot and for a long time, because there was always a reason to do it.
TWW distills raiding to being about gear alone.
If you got Veteran gear, there’s little reason to do LFR.
If you got Champion gear, there’s little reason to do Normal mode.
And if you got Hero gear there’s little reason to do Heroic mode.
Even from a PuG perspective that kills a lot of the popularity. Because even if the raid is easy, if there’s no reason to go there, then you don’t go.
And Blizzard have kind of made gear the only reason.
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Good post, well written. I agree with 95% of what is written here.
You forgot to add:
- annoying healing and tank changes that ONLY punish healers
- OLD TERRIBLE dungeons like SOB in the pool (don’t they have money to design new dungeons)?
- Early access
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In your high keys bubble, try solo pugging low dungeons this week, come back with real feedback later. (Low keys first week doesnt count)
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I have alts you know ? 
If you notice carefully I haven’t done any keys with my main for the past 4 days. But I have been busy none the less.
And sure. You find people that lack skill in low keys. But that is expected. That is what low keys are for ! And if I am there, I have to accept the people that are there.
If I “deserve” a better quality player. Then I go to do higher keys where they live.
What ? You expected MDI quality players in a 2+ or something ? Why would they hang out there to begin with ?
So if you crap-talk those people… expect crap-talk back. If you are generally nice and just play… people will generally be nice.
Its like magic dude ! Give respect and get respect back. Works like a charm.
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I have too and the amount of toxicity is literally insane on low keys, I progress slowly and try to learn dungeons, being actually nice to people yet I face a lot of toxicity. I do not think that the game differs so much for people
I do not expect MDI players, you start writing just like you did to OP. I do think that people should suck up their ego and most toxic players don’t and blame everyone but themselves. Those players are toxic, not me nor OP
I do not crap talk ANYONE, ever. I dont even leave the dungeon unless it is a complete mess mind f healers brain. I have noticed you make a lot of assumptions in your replies
How much IQ you have if you even need to ask?
Describe what toxicity means. Because that term is abused a lot. Especially in the context of “I dont agree with you ergo you are toxic”.
But assuming you use the term correctly: You are telling me that in most of the keys you went to, you got called a “noob L2P” and other insults directly in the chat ?
REALLY ? ALL of them ? I dont believe it.
I do have a lot of assumptions. Because I cannot believe I am somehow a special snowflake that dosent find this level of “toxicity”. Its simply not possible.
And I am not the only one that sees the same thing I do. I know plenty of people that dont find toxic players in the majority of their keys. Sure… every now and then some idiot shows up… but “sometimes” and “always” are two very different quantities.
And what I do when someone starts posting dumb things on the chat is I defend the player and tell that person to chill and de-escalate the situation. Let me be clear here : DEESCALATE. NOT insult back. There is a difference here.
And if the party disbands for some reason, I personally whisper the players in question and tell them to ignore that idiot. That 4/5 players were cool, and there was just 1 bad apple. And offer them to play my key if they want to.
Do you do that ? You don’t ? Because most people don’t.
What most people do is insult back when they read something they don’t like on the chat. Instead of de-escalating the situation, or simply letting it go. And that is like throwing gas to the fire. And then they come here to the Forums to whine about “toxic” people.
Talking crap about healing and whispering me insults if I leave a terrible group that has 30+ wipes with no deffensive usage and borderline trolling. (I do not leave straight away though, I give many chances) I even had more interesting case of a premade with who we timed GB and I just asked “careful please use defensives” after people dying to bs with all defensives up and me being sweaty healing pretty hard dungeon… After timing the key warlock was writing me nonsense and I was still kind to him, after that his friend was writing to me and saying that I said something I did not (his friend warlock lied to him) I have it on video. I am kind to people because it makes me feel better even if they are bad. I do see the behaviour of people running their keys like that toxic by itself, but on top of that they shout at tank or healer. I also see lots of toxicity towards tanks when dps f ups. I just don’t believe you play low keys at all, or you mean you do one and then you go +5 and then +7 etc? It does not count then
If you want you are welcome to spam low lvl dungeons with me so you will see.
I see toxicity every 3rd dungeon, towards me or towards tank
All your assumptions are bad and you are creating some sort of scenario to which you reply and make your reply seem valid, stop please
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OK. You gave me 1 example.
I never denied imbeciles dont exist. And for those, simply let it go. Leave the party, mid key even, and ignore all those dudes. DONE.
But from 1 bad expereince to multiple bad ones… there is a key difference there.
I take your offer. Show me that toxicity.
My discord : zavia9863
Whisper me there and I will give you my bnet ID and we can do some keys. Right now if you want.
PS : I give you my discord so I dont publicly post my BNet on the Forums. But we dont have to use discord at all if you dont want to. Its just a middle man for privacy purposes.
So I’m confused, what would you actually want? I read through all the chats now and you seem to point out issues with little to no way of fixing them other then basically dumbing down the game.
Also it does seem like you’re quick/prone to anger, I would recommand relaxing but the last time someone mentioned that you deleted 3 of your answers so instead I’ll just say the following.
You can dislike the game, totally fine, even your right to have that opinion and have your subjective take. However you cannot simply insult any who challenge it, you posted here in the forums, you opened yourself to the mass majority allowing for both critisism and disagreements, you bear the responsibility of remaining mature when posted here.
Also especially coming from personal experiences, on the matter of m+ and the amoun it is done, Uta is a insanely trusted source, so you’d have to have a really good argument and posted on your main for your opinion to be just as well educated or well trustworthy as hers unfortunately.
And Aleric pointing out your anger doesn’t mean he deserves to be insulted like that, your behavior is somewhat abhorrent, ironically what you describe the playerbase being like while being one of the few people acting like that here.
Here we should strive to argue with logic and rationality, if you are unable to do so without insults and immaturity, then you are responsible of the actions that follow.
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