Faction bias

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Let start with a simple fact. Blizzard is biased for the Alliance. They have better everything.

  • better races
  • better cities
  • better lore characters
  • better story development
  • more exclusive zones to quest in.

to even the scales the following things needs to happen.

  1. Turn 2 contested zones into Horde only zones.
  2. kill 2/3rd of the Alliance lore character cast.
  3. Turn Stormwind into a raid for both factions.
  4. Force Alliance players to take quests from Horde characters.

with these actions in motion we can finally have some faction equality which have been lacking ever since MoP finished.

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Canā€™t think of a single race in the Alliance that I find appealing except like Dark Irons, and maybe Void Elves because wielding Void powers makes them quite unique. Horde races are all amazing on the other hand

I can agree with that, but itā€™s more Horde cities being letdowns than Alliance cities being very good, imo. I have yet to see Boralus from the inside, from what Iā€™ve heard itā€™s astonishing - but Dazarā€™alor/Zulā€™dazar is amazing and feels so alive. Suramar is stunning but we canā€™t do much tourism with the Legion around. Iā€™d say extend Orgrimmar to make it more representative of the racial makeup of the Horde. Extend Thunder Bluff, remake Silvermoon. Recover Undercity and maybe start occupying the upper ruins as well. Recover Kezan. Build a proper city on the Echo Isles now that it has become a relevant Horde harbor. Make something out of Thunder Totem. Build a cool city in Northrend. And for freakā€™s sake, free Suramar off Elisandeā€™s forces, itā€™s about time

Iā€™d rather sayā€¦ more lore characters. We need relevant Tauren, Trolls, Vulpera, Magā€™har (Orcs or other Breakers, btw), Goblins, Pandarenā€¦ we have nobody like damn

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Oh god, Here we goā€¦

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Well. I mean, I partially agree, thatā€™s why I play Alliance, but Iā€™m a bit baffled that Horde players would think the same, since there really isnā€™t any reason to play Horde if you prefer Alliance races, cities, characters and story. So I guess what we learn from this isā€¦ that certain people might not play Horde because they like it, but because they want to whine about not liking it?

Figures. Hi, Erevien.

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Yeah if youā€™re genuinely into Horde aesthetics I donā€™t see how you could be envious of anything in the Alliance. The two factions are really extremely opposite takes on fantasy.

I donā€™t think thereā€™s an Alliance bias btw. Nor do I think thereā€™s a Horde bias for that matter

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Alliance bias is a real problem. And it ruins the game experience for the Horde.

They are not. None of them are protagonist material. They are either savage beasts like the green Orcs, irrelevant plot devices like the Tauren are or even getting blatantly ignored in a patch that should be about them like the blood elves. On the other hand Alliance has no less then 3 races that always had a major part to play in the plot. Humans, night elves and Draenei. These three got the most screentime in the lore ever since the game started.

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Nah :wink:

The alliance has no trolls, so nope, definitely wrong!

Wellā€¦yes.

Depends. Iā€™d say itā€™s a problem that horde characters usually donā€™t get fleshed out as well as alliance characters. Take Volā€™jin for example. He was warchief but apart from Yenniku, we have yet to learn the names of his children, nor do we know who their mother was.

So maybe the alliance has more better developped characters overall, but itā€™s always the same 2 or 3 that hog all the spotlight and personally I donā€™t find Anduin and Jaina all that interesting.

Not really. Itā€™s always the same, the horde does something ( bad ), the alliance reacts to it and at the end of the day weā€™re all friends again. Thatā€™s frustrating for both sides. Itā€™s just that the horde player experience has been so abysmal of late that the alliance story may look better in comparision.

Not as many as they used to have, and not all of them are good cough Redridge cough

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Well, that is only because of the Night Elves. But Blizzard gave Nightbornes and Undead Night Elves to the Horde, that should be enoughā€¦

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I agree with everyone else here on most matters, so I wonā€™t really comment on anything but this:

This misses a hell of a lot of context. Alliance used to have more questing zones which didnā€™t translate to a better questing experience overall, as more exclusive zones doesnā€™t mean ā€œbetter questing experienceā€.

When that was all the case, anyway? In early freaking vanilla. Not in 1.12 vanilla, not in 1.10, we are talking 2005 to early 2006.

Even so, despite the Alliance having supposedly three questing paths until 30 to Hordeā€™s two, because those are the only truly ā€œexclusive zonesā€, the Night Elf ones were so utterly terrible, so full of level jumps and holes that Night Elf lowbies had to traverse the, comparatively, high level Wetlands in order to get to the other two questing paths if they wanted to actually get the job done, you know, do the now famous Wetlands Run.

As an early Alliance leveler, I also run out of quests eventually and had to grind and/or do dungeons due to all neutral endgame zones being devoid of content, it wasnā€™t a Horde only problem.

It also misses a lot of really important perks vanilla Horde used to have that frankly a lot of old Horde players (which Erevien clearly isnā€™t btw) took for granted: Better and safer map placement, better access to dungeons in the vast majority of cases, and a superior and safer transport network.

In short, early vanilla questing was gloriously awful for everyone, regardless of faction. It might have been awful for slightly different reasons between factions, but it was equally bad, nevertheless.

Post Cataclysm, where is the problem exactly? At this point, leveling is a joke anyway, and Alliance definitely drew the short end of the stick with the old world revamp between utter abominations of ā€œmemeā€ zones or unfinished and abandoned ones.

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Blizzard i demand of you to hire this guy as story lead.

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It would be nice if we actually used one of the older cities other than Ogrimmar or Stormwind as a questing hub for an xpac or even just a patch or two for a change.

I think both factions deserve a change in scenery.

Plus it gives Blizzard an opportunity to revisit and revamp older content by pulling it back into the live game and present ongoing story.

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Honestly, every surviving capital city should have a portal room, IMHO.

Ironforge, Thunder Bluff, Exodar and Quelā€™thalas donā€™t have mages? Rofl.

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Iā€™d love to see more cities turning into real faction hubs, like Dazarā€™alor was to me (most stay mainly tied to their location and the native race they host, stuck in their respective expansions). Even Orgrimmar, the Horde capital with the freaking allied races embassy, doesnā€™t feel like such, smh. Does Boralus hold that multiracial function in the Alliance ?

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No, Boralus appears really, really human.

Thereā€™s a few gnomes and other races arouns, but it is obviously a human city.

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If you think so, why donā€™t you change faction? :wink:

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Zuldazar is crap. Boralus is the better city.

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Because I want equality.

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Just makes you look like a total :clown_face: playing the wrong faction tbh. Inadvertently praising the thing you hate just sends a confusing message.

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There is bias to Alliance because they are writing everything based on Human perspective. They are considering every action from a human perspective without considering who was the acting figure and who should be responding to that.

For example, there is no reason for any Horde characther to oppose starting a war with Night Elves before the burning of Teldrassil. Even then it is at least acceptable from Orc and Undead view and even Trolls and Blood Elves wouldnā€™t be that opposed Iā€™d think. They are not humans, their way of thinking are different.

And not only our characthers all think and act like human, they are also judged by 21st century human morals not even medieval times. Anduin should have been overthrown several times by now. Pre-BfA Genn was a good human leader. Varian was a fitting leader. You could see other races following them. As much as I like Anduin it is not a fit to a game called Warcraft.

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Zuldazar is a freaking blast dude. A mesoamerican-themed capital city with a big harbor and pretty much all of the existing Warcraft races just walking around and selling stuff at the bazar. THAT is a good WoW city

EDIT : Also it has Monkey King. 10/10

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