Really great post, some good thoughts, there are just a few things i don’t fully agree on.
The factions aren’t actually that imbalanced for the most part. It’s 56-44 in horde favor, which isn’t a lot, but the problem is that the competitive population is heavily scewed in horde favor.
Problem then is, that the changes you suggested won’t draw competitive players over. No one cares about bonus xp or rep, and if there is gear tied behind rep, then they are gonna change back as soon as they get that.
Bonus rolls too aren’t as impactful for most players (like 1 extra), and top guilds will just swap to get them and then go back to horde.
Giving in game advantages to a faction is dumb. The game should not favor you competitively for making an RP choice.
I do agree free faction change to alliance would help a bit, but only for casuals really.
I think the only real solution is gonna have to be removal of factions or cross faction play.
This is nonsense, people pick their faction based on power, friends, looks/lore. Just because someone goes alliance doesn’t mean he/she doesn’t intend to raid but anyone that goes horde does that’s just wrong.
This every major guild going into Horde is a issue, it’s not balanced whatsoever. You can’t punish peoples progression forcing them to purchase a server/faction change just because they decided to be Alliance when they started playing.
There’s no way that so many well established guilds that already clear the content completely are transferring their entire guilds over to Horde and another server just to ‘‘recruit’’ more when they already have full on raid team(s).
no they really dont… and theres several if were online on forums right now could prove you wrong… theres a paladin thats been forever fighting for ally popularity and was forced to either not raid or play horde and went horde.
People began with this concept. and no its not down to power lmfao, Sims prove Alliance are Stronger in DPS overall Proc related or not they simply do more DPS. ontop of this Shadowmeld is the strongest Racial in the entire game.
Weather someone goes alliance with the intention to raid, doesnt mean they’ll ever get one. because they’re at a HUGE Disadvantage going alliance with that intention to begin with.
blizzard arent punishing anyone. the Playerbase Drove this LOL.
Raiders burn out the game faster then casual players, why? because the Systems upon systems hit them the hardest and become So much more demanding for them so taking breaks etc etc is massively more regular in the raiding community.
Also ontop of this, People quit the game every day… These rosters will fall apart if they dont keep recruiting because of the high burn outs. Guilds Risk Losing half a Roster mid raid tier if they dont have back up incase the worst happens.
clearly u’ve never heard of “Raid Benchs” and more. because they dont stop recruiting. i think u know very little about raiding guilds or how they set up / work… and have some warped idea that Becoming a Raider is a 10 year contract or some rubbish.
Racials Drove the initial crowds to move faction yes… but they were balanced out WAAAYY better and even reached to now where they are in alliance favor. the problem is… they’re not gonna pay another 1000 Pounds just to revert back alliance.
and the popularity will keep new players and old going horde for the higher player pool… theres litterally 0 negatives to following the majority.
put it this way.
When Competitive alliance Raiding doesnt exist? Why would power matter?.. ur litterally only ever comparing to Horde players…
Racials mean Nothing when the faction has no representation to begin with… no one can see the power difference because Alliance have no one to show it.
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clearly u’ve never heard of “Raid Benchs” and more. because they dont stop recruiting. i think u know very little about raiding guilds or how they set up / work… and have some warped idea that Becoming a Raider is a 10 year contract or some rubbish.
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Cant deny that its still a issue, then sure might not be racials. But there has to be a solution that doesn’t force people to purchase a faction/server transfer because of people being so desperate to be horde.
Paying a 1000 dollars just to move a entire raid guild to horde already sounds unbelievable and shouldn’t be a thing. Maybe just a mistake of mine to post here because clearly you dont mind that everyones going horde and well alliance is most likely just gonna die out even more when it comes to endgame content.
there isnt a solution realistically, unless the game has a Surge of new players who all run alliance.
Raiding guilds often demand 3-4 alt characters to be equally geared to swap in for various reasons.
to transfer 3-4 Characters to horde… and then transfer to a horde populated Server… is £46 per char. this is £184 per account providing they’re only swapping these 3 or 4 characters and not any other alts.
it only takes 10 players before you see £1840 being the figure… Double that for a Raid group.
Then include ur benched players… and your Socials… your M+ Players and more within the guild.
Theres a reason Method went into a HUGE Debt when they did their transfer.
Moving Server is a HUGE Cost realistically, and not one done lightly, a slight DPS Variance between factions wouldnt drive your average guilds to do this which means theres a larger picture.
With convenants this will be even larger… as Different fights and more could demand Different convenants and set ups Become even more niche. Which means the ratio of benched players needed per guild may increase to hold a Varied amounts from each of these convenants So they can set up correctly.
not to mention… alliance factions and dying and lots of raiding players always look to get into better guilds which may drive individuals from their alliance guilds to swap horde to get into faster progressing guilds… which leave guilds losing players, SL Would be a major time to make such a decision as u can go in fresh with 0 catch up and jump aboard the masses of guilds that will try set up for SL Raiding.
There could be; cross faction grouping for content? Then all that’s left is playing on the right server. Also having cross-faction auctionhouses. I want to enjoy endgame content, I want to be alliance yet it’s only dying out. So now I have to either be a casual and never progress anymore in the game; or pay for a server/faction change, play a race I dont like just to raid/progress.
yes thats a Fix. if they cross faction, but that doesnt equalise the population… that simply removes a System to bandaid the problem… not saying its a bad idea but i wouldnt call it a fix either.
Removing the factions would be the closest thing to a solution though.
its funny to think the entire problem has gotten so large the only Way to make it better is to actually remove the Core part of the game Although people are right xD the lores had horde and alliance working together for a LOOOONG Time. it makes little sense we cant raid together… as litterally the narrative pushjs the concept that we do.
It’s stupid that the game still doesn’t have cross-server guilds/raiding.
And lore wise yeah they’ve been working together for so long its very stupid that we cant raid together.
It would 100% fix the issue since now players wouldn’t feel that punished for picking their desired race to play because it’s part of the wrong faction.
Would hardly even call it a core part of the game outside of advertising. The game have gone out of it’s way to make interacting with the opposite faction either a negative experience or non-existent.
If you were to completely erase one faction and all it’s players from the game you would hardly even notice it.
Im saying, Its a Solution Yes, it’d fix the problem for alliance players Defintly. but i wouldnt call Removing one of the last remaining Orginal features of WoW a Success on blizzards behalf either.
as said above. the entire problem was avoidable 10 years ago when they coulda done something to keep both factions against one another… and falls under another problem of introducing faction changing to begin with .
it is a Core feature… WoW was built upon it and it is one of the last features of orginal Warcraft left in the game to begin with… i didnt say it was a good feature… or that the feature was dealt with in a proper way to keep it successful
but its a fix, that blizzard are against entirely… and even has been on record to say they wont do it… so its not a feasible fix they’re willing to consider either.
That is your opinion.
Your are on the dominant faction and don’t like the fact you’re playing ez mode and don’t want the minority faction to have a chance. Shame on you
Some people here are incapable of seeing the bigger picture and only focus on CROSS FACTION BAD part.
So here’s what you need to understand. You either accept the fact that it’s going to remain this way and alliance will remain the inferior raiding and mythic dungeon faction, or understand that cross faction is your only way out.
If you’re so obsessed with world pvp, we’re not asking for warmode to go away. That won’t change.
I just want them to fix it without eroding the faction divide. I don’t want to be the Horliance, a truce here and there is fine but we are not on the same side.
Horde getting a nerf or Alliance getting a buff will only change for that small 1% minority of hardcore of the hardcore.
I play Nightborne and Blood Elves, regardless of their racials. Why? Because I like playing them and they are my favorite races. If Undead got the best racial, I still wouldn’t play them because I don’t play Undead characters at all.
It’s not possible to reasonably balance factions due to the simple fact that the faction with the best services will be the faction most players flock too. As seen with most server since wow’s inception turning into either horde or alliance servers.