Last night i started my journey in SoD, i went Alliance but i was wondering if there is a faction that’s stronger than the other one?
I’m asking this because in some threads people say that Horde is stronger because of the shaman class that apparently is super strong in PvP and also brings buffs to raids, on the other hand other people say that Alliance is stringer because of all the buff and utility that a paladin brings to a party or raid.
I’m positive that there’s more to Horde and Alliance than simply 2 classes but i would love to know people’s opinions on this.
if you join alliance you’re signing up for a teary eyed doomer atmosphere dominated by paladin crybabies and 100% losses in bg.
alliance have a few advantages in pve due to the nature of paladins, but they will never agree with me on that since they are gungho about shaman being the best and most OP there ever was.
alliance even got windfury now and they’re still not happy.
so now you know what you’ll be dealing with.
if you insist on alliance and want ez groups/raids i suggest rolling feral druid, i hear they desperately need more of those for the precious and hard-to-come-by wild strikes buff (which is a better version of shaman’s windfury totem).
you’ll probably have at least a hand of ragnaros practically thrown at you free of charge in an attempt to motivate you to stay in whatever guild you end up in, and if you don’t you have the privilege to demand one because they don’t wanna lose feral druids.
Hello Potatomilk thank you so much for all the information.
I wanted to go Horde on a PvP server but in both Living Flame and Lone Wolf i can only create Alliance, so my best bets for a Horde character are Wild Growth and Crusader Strike, i wanted to go to Crusader Striker server but several people are saying that the realm is dying, there’s even some post here in the forums about it.
Can you tell me something? I saw that Alliance can have 1 exclusive mount with the Winterspring Tiger or something like that, does the Horde have an exclusive mount? I tried to look around but nothing came up.
Also why does Horde reign supreme in PvP?
if i somehow end up in the Horde what classes are usually in demand? Druids also by any chance?
yeah choice of servers is iffy.
maybe if blizzard purged some of the million bots currently present on horde side on living flame there would be some slots open for actual players, but that remains to be seen.
hmm i don’t know much about exclusive mount for alliance side.
it could be the case that there is a special tiger mount for them in winterspring because now that you mention it, it does ring a bell, but i’m not certain as to the particulars.
as far as i know horde has no exclusive mounts.
that is a very complicated topic and its likely going to attract a lot of negative attention if i dare offer my opinion on it.
this is the wow forum after all.
lets just say horde is better and leave it at that.
when it comes to classes in high demand, you can always bet on priest.
at the moment warlocks also seem pretty dry in regards to available recruits but perhaps we’ve just been unlucky.
you can’t go wrong with shaman at the moment either.
every spec performs very well and you can always use more totems.
the fact shaman can tank now as well and does it very effectively is also a big plus.
feral druid is not in high demand on horde side because we got shamans for the WF buff - this high demand is exclusive to alliance because feral druid is the only class/spec they got on their faction that can provide windfury.
classes that are in abundance on horde and thus very low demand is warrior, rogue, mage, hunter.
although mages can heal now, putting them slightly above the others.
when it comes to pure dps roles, they are all at the same level - low demand tier, meaning you’ll likely have issues getting group/raid slots compared to other alternatives.
Nevermind I was checking a little better and the only server that allows me to play Horde is Wild growth which is a PvP server… maybe that’s not too bad?
The question is if i later on chose to do so can i transfer from Wild Growth to Living Flame?
don’t expect transfers.
blizzard has been very stingy with transfers throughout SOD because it usually throws faction balance into chaos.
but yeah i heard good things about wild growth in general.
you could either roll there or try for living flame a couple of times every day to see if a slot opens.
bots are being continuously banned as players report them, which means a new slot opens on the server every time a bot is banned, but if you aren’t quick/dedicated to check for a slot, its likely to be taken by another bot account almost immediately, so its a tough sell tbh.
I personally drive-by report all the suspicious low level hunter bots i see and i regularly get in-game mail that action has been taken - albeit far less mails than i would like to see, considering the sheer amount of them everywhere.
to put it into perspective, i can report up to 20 bots in a single session and get maybe 2-3 mails saying something has been done as a result.
this is obviously not up to par and far from enough to have an impact.
Yes. slots open and close all the time
some of my friends had trouble getting in for a time as well because botters would swallow up all the available space, but they eventually managed to get in and successfully make a character.
once you’ve made a character on the realm your “slot” is secured and you can make as many characters as you want on that server.
EDIT: im using “realm” and “server” interchangeably here. they are the same thing.
EDIT 2: i should note that the reason slots open and shut all the time is because there is enforced 50/50 faction balance, so this plays a factor in the ability to create a character as well.
judging from what i see, i would say at least a good 10-20% chunk of the horde playerbase on living flame are just pure bots.
if blizzard did a banwave every now and then, the spatial issue would be solved to a degree until the space is filled up by real players.
there are A LOT of bots around.
its really bad, ngl.
Let’s not mention the “who is stronger, shaman or paladin?” Topic here…
but a fact is that the racial abilities provided by orcs (insane 25% stun resist) and undeads (charm and fear protection every 2 minutes) are very strong PvP abilities.
Well i don’t know of it’s a good server or not but i managed to get a spot in Lone Wolf on the Horde side.
I wanted to go tank but i don’t know, I’m not sure what i should pick on the Horde side, for example a website shows druids being B tier and another one shows the same class as being a S tier tank class, it’s confusing.
You yourself mentioned priest, since you play on Living Flame how do the priests fair in a PvP server?
Hybrid caster shamans reign in PvP, the rest isn’t worth a mention because we got warlocks and other horde players whining about paladins out of all things.
rough statement without data, while AV grind was on it was a 40% WR for alliance.
yet horde crybabies are far more common once they got roflstomped by a paladin, because of the expactation of pally free kills or something.
which all have been cancelled out by:
Lion Aspect hunter
Tank threat buff shamans
agi/str totems > BoM
if you ever look at this objectively yes,
Sarthe even decided to make a video about Horde/Alliance in raids, alliance sims 100-500dps less on physical classes compared to horde sims.
noone could anticipate this blatant favoritsm for horde, you know it too well.
ferals are a joke tbh.
even if it isnt potato responding, priests are still good enough in raids as a heal or dps, but PvP wise it isn’t much worth of a mention since they have been gutted.
Dispersion a big defensive CD is now competing with Void Plague a dot in the same rune slot.
I finally managed to get a spot in Living Flame, my biggest doubt here is that if I should go Alliance or Horde. Yourself and Potatomilk manifested it as it seems to go down here in the forums, some people say that Alliance is better and others say that Horde is very dominant especially in PvP.
I have no clue how the open world PvP flows in Season of Discovery or in battlegrounds for that matter but it would suck to pick, as example, Alliance then queue to BG’s and then being massacred by Horde over and over.
priest fares very well.
both shadow and both their healing specs perform very well.
they got a bunch of new interesting runes as well - some of them being extremely useful.
homunculi is a game changer.
eye of the void is a game changer (it basically gives the priest access to warlock curses).
fear ward (if horde) is a game changer on onyxia.
the big barrier bubble spell (dont remember its name) is a mega game changer, gives everyone standing inside it 25% damage reduction for 10 seconds.
besides this, you got dispersion and pain suppression which are both extremely good.
all this can be combined with most of the old school vanilla talents such as power infusion which might just be the best utility spell in the game when used correctly.
there’s a lot of discussion going on about “who is the best tank” at the moment, and honestly you’ll probably not find a true correct answer to this as the tank classes currently have different niches and advantages/disadvantages.
for example, from what i gather, shaman is extremely good at causing high amounts of damage and threat while being on the weaker side in regards to mitigation, while warrior suffers from the opposite issue; they mitigate damage very well but their threat and damage output is extremely poor.
warlocks have problems with being “crushed” (mechanic that basically instantly kills you to put it simply).
i can’t say much about paladin tanks because i don’t play alliance and studying logs and parses isn’t exactly my favorite passtime anymore.
druids are great as always, still the kings of face tanking/mitigation similar to warriors and hand of ragnaros (the legendary mace) was changed so it suits them very well.
this is exactly what you can expect if you roll alliance.
you have been warned
