That’s because it is destroying the factions. The only content you can Merc as is auto queue content, explicitly a BG and only as 110-120. The equivalent in PVE would be LFR at a push lfd dungeons. It has no place in guilds or PUG content.
Plenty of other MMOs had a two-faction system, and they failed just the same. It’s not the two-faction system that is responsible for WoW surviving. It has survived in spite of the two-faction system, not because of it.
I’d argue that it would be more successful with a better, more dynamic system. I’m not playing this game because I can be Alliance. Factions get in the way of my enjoyment of the game because it limits the number of players I can interact and play with. The playerbase is already much smaller than it used to be.
I don’t play WoW for idealistic reasons. I play it to play with other people. The fewer people there are to play with, the less interesting it is to play. This is what killed other MMOs: the lack of people.
I never said I wanted to merge the factions in the lore, but in instanced content who cares ?
As an orc, and sylvanas loyalist, All factions should be merged into one where sylvanas rules, and I get to spank everyone who does not obey her, or bow to her. Period.
Sorry for only quoting half of what you said, but this it’s this bit I wanted to reply to. Why keep factions separated in the story and world? The war has ended (maybe ) and a peace treaty is in place. I am saying keep our factions, I love the fact that people have pride in whichever faction they choose. But if the two factions are truly at peace, then to me it makes sense that we would be in each other’s world/story. Not criticising you by the way, just genuinely interested why you would think we have to keep story and world separate
Now look at history of all the core races and factions, how they behaved, what they’ve done, 15 years of WoW.
How this could actually work, there are too many scars, all the races have backgrounds, do you want to delete that all or just ignore it?
How would e.g. Night Elf join the Horde if they are the reason for the misery NE had to deal with? Even the most recent events, burning of Teldrassil (War of Thorns), Battle for Darkshore … that NE character would be either completely insane, Satyr in disguise or something much worse.
I think someone else brought up ESO too. And you are right, the game only gains if we have more options. It’s not diminished. Plus it’s not like blizzard don’t want to give us more options.
Back in MoP someone comapred the horde to WW2 Germany. In real life not all Germans wanted to be part of the war or the atrocities. In MoP as a horde player you had no choice. In BFA you got to chose what side you were on at least within the horde.
It is the same thing to some of us. You may see no value in Alliance but I see plenty in being Horde. I don’t want a mish mash of the factions. There will be no way to avoid it. We will be placed in LFD and LFR with Alliance. And like I said it certainly has no place in PUG content.
In this you are not right, sure I play Swtor, ESO, but there you can actually get to choose from the moment you create your character.
Not in WoW, every quest you could have done, you’ve actually done, my Tauren Shaman did not participate in War of Thorns, but guess what, he is as much guilty as those who did.
This was always the case for WoW, we are spectators more than actors. You might want to change it, but you still cannot undone all the years.
Only, I mean the only, case is if one the future expansions have more time between the last one, let’s say a hundred years? A few centuries? Maybe after that it could, but as the current conditions are, there is no way.
You can RP a dragon, but that does not mean that you have any means to show it.
Also a personal question what your character was doing all these years, when the Horde invaded NE lands? Massacred them, commited genocide of her people? That made your character “sad” and that is it? She then joins the enemies of her people?
Unless you ignore big chunk of the story or delete it this will never work, personally I am OK with this.
totally agree with you, 15 years with War. Its time for a change.
Lovely post. I think it could be an acceptable solution if implemented correctly.
Shadowlands could be an opportunity, since everyone will be dead.
I’m particularly interested in this feature.
What I understood (feel free to correct me if I’m wrong) is, when someone creates a new character they’ll make a choice base on races rather than factions; they’ll start leveling, after a couple of quest they’ll choose a faction.
Now, if Blizzard doesn’t write a believable story, why would a race pick a X faction?
For example, why would a Blood elf choose Alliance over Horde after sabotaging their magic sources?
It’s a bit picky but lore-wise doesn’t make much sense, at least for me.
Well neutrality would make her just her on person to be fair. But since you brought up past actions I’ll just say that it would be far from the first contradiction in the game.
In BFA we play the soldier character that fights the war and stuff. We make sure our faction keeps the nukes(azerite) but at the same time we are the champion of Azeroth. The one that by the lore literally works to transcend factions and save the world. But our actions as heroes directly contradict themselves.
Well just 7,5 years on Azeroth and 15 years for us.
Just saying more than a half of playerbase does not want to have another faction war.
How would NE join the Horde, that is what I am asking for.
Invasion, all the skirmishes, battles, genocide, plaguing their lands … Forgiven after 6 months or what?
That is true, we are Champions of Azeroth, but at the same time we use every resource to kill members of the opposite faction.
Still what would be the motivation to join the faction, that caused all the harm to you, maybe your family, friends (RP PoV), your race and completely ravaged your lands not just once?
Well personally? My character is a worgen druid. Worgen have reasons to hate the horde right? Yet I’m no simple worgen. My connection to nature gives me perspective. I have also happened to have fought a couple dudes and dudets out there. Some Titans, demon Lords and whatnot. I’ve been through hell and back and I saw more than once that other forces are playing us faction people. So I said" yeah I want no part in any more wars. I have a world to save".
Simply put that is how you validate my character playing with the races that ruined his Homeland.
You make that.
Does the game support this? Have you seen all the Night elves that you encounter, every single one adores Tyrande and Malfurion, there is a lot of unity.
Rewriting is basically deleting/ignoring already established lore and replacing it with different. Is this your solution?
I think that there was enough of this already, but how massivelly the lore has to be altered to fit this is just big NO.
no in the very first scene when u create a Undead in Vanilla the opening sentence basically says shes in the horde “for now”.
You mean that I edit my post? If so, no it was my original post.
Not at all. Writing new lore makes the story feel alive; we got to a point were story is stagnate and things feel dull.
As I said before, they should write a believable story; they should keep in mind those important details that make a race what it is.
On a side note, timelines in-game work differently than real life ones.
I mean that what you’ve written you can make anything in your mind, but does it give sense from the game’s point of view, e.g. you can RP a dragon, but does the game acknowledge that? Ofc not.
And again and again, I am worried, especially for Night elves, tell me have you any idea for believable story, that would make them join the Horde? If you look at any material, dialogue in the game, in the books, do you feel like there is anything substantial?
And there is still the whole past, how are you going to deal with that?
Ofc, roughly one exp = 1 year in Azeroth.
We are nor OP chars, so we follow the orders of others.
Especially in Swtor, you are “someone” very early on, while we get this recognition after a lot of time in WoW.
Have you actually read what I’ve written?
I’d like to show that my Tauren Shaman did not participate in that war, but I can’t and now I am forever treted like I did.
I would not mind to have more choices, but you cannot undone what’s been done already … they could use it every time something would not fit them, is it really what you want?
So you join the Horde who caused this?
I’d rather have separate NE faction that that, because joining the opposite faction gives zero sense after all that.
She would still join the Horde, that caused all of this, not everything was done by Sylvanas and many Horde members are as much guilty as Sylvanas’s loyalists, they might be sorry for their actions, but how would that make the Horde better faction to reside for your char than Alliance is beyond me, maybe a new faction, maybe neutral faction, I can understand that, but the Horde?
Yeah, I have them, that does not make you a dragon in the game, I RP green dragon, but the game just does not acknowledge that.
Edit: I am sorry for many typos X)