Faerin Lothar, WTF is this writing?

Yeah but when you make on account that. ESG companies that rate these for funding are lead by conservative white men.
This is just an trick in an bigger scale to make people go on rage this way and making you push in another direction in political beliefs, so they can blame everything on “evil left” beliefs.
And past 4 years youtubers have started to make money with this public outrage too, Twitter has turned into complete propaganda machine against west’s values too, As i am saying it isnt all what it seems to be.
It isnt just some extremist woke people doing this they wouldnt have any money or power to do it withouth something major funding it and this is what the rightwing propaganda wants you to ignore,
This all is designed to break west split it in 2 different groups

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You ignore all facts and evidence. The type that if you stood in court. Shown to rob a store with your face caught on cctv. You will deny that is not you on the tape as you are sent to jail.

As I said. There can be no discourse with people like you.

Tom MacDonald - Me vs You.
Keep people divided and against each other instead of united.
Best to check multiple sources to try and get a full picture.
Not something that would lead to individual confirmation bias.

he/she/they thewm probs just a paid DEI activist, so don’t look for logic. I’m wheel chair user and do not want EVER to be remindend of this while playing my escape game.

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You might not have a choice. The cult of representation is pushing their “greater good”.
If given a choice you might want to leave your wheel chair and be able to walk again. But Faerin which is a DEI character refuses prosthetics choosing to have a stump.

Neve of DragonAge Veilguard only has the one leg.
By trying to make a game for EVERYBODY they produce a game for nobody.

People can enjoy content without being “represented”.
The activists are convinced that they are the good guys. Convinced in their “greater good”.
The death of escapism hurts everybody.
The rant about Starfield. Another failed title of Bethesda is still relevant one year on. The reason being is the same practices are continuing.
People are not permitted to just enjoy the game. They must be pulled out of their immersion and escapism to be preached to about the politics and ideology of the activists pretending to be game developers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfzFvWRG8Ig

People are widely rejecting DEI characters. Faerin is 1000% a DEI and ESG character.

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I still don’t get why this is so important to so many people.
DEI this, representation that… yes, it can really be annoying if you have a character that spoonfeeds you modern social justice messages, but… Faerin being a DEI-character because she has disabilites and happens to be black?

I mean… you do realize how weird it sounds to say “I don’t want to see people with disabilities or missing body parts in my war game!”, do you?

In the end, it doesn’t matter if a character checks some boxes on RL social justice lists, as long as they matter in the story. And so far, Faerin has contributed as much to Anduin’s story as… let’s say, Katherine Proudmoore to Jaina’s story in Kul Tiras. The fact that she’s a Lothar seems to implicate that she still has a role to play whenever we face the Arathi empire and Thoradin IX in the future.

tl;dr
DEI characters are not problematic as long as they have a believable purpose in the story :man_shrugging:

This is the problem. When skin color and ethnicity. In this sense being Black is hijacked for political and ideological reasons.
Why must the Black character be the DEI character?
Anti-Femininity as they portray what is supposed to be biological females except androgynous and masculine. Feminine Black Females exist. Both in gaming and in the real world. They are very very easy to find.

Captain Garrick besides being a single mother. Is actually a feminine character. The Beta had her look Latina but the live game turned her Black.
I will give you a simple example. Halo franchise first released in 2001. The Halo tv show is a failure. Activist show runners ignored original Black characters just to race swap White Characters the Keyes family.
You’re not allowed to criticise bad characters in failed tv shows. Reason? Someone will play the race card. Anti black / anti woman / anti lgbt / anti this anti that.

You are not paying attention. This is not produced for the actual audience. They tried this since Battlefield 4. They had disabled women on the front lines of WW2 swinging baseball bats in the face of 1943 German soldiers.

It does if it alienates existing audience and hurts the game.

They have gone out of their way to tear down male characters in order to never outshine the female characters. Faerin has been a Mother that Anduin has been crying on her shoulder so far.

No this is just stealing the Lothar name. It became a renowned bloodline and name through their deeds. The extraordinary times and situations that they found themselves in and how they acted and dealt with the situation.
It is just like democratising the Lothar name. Not every bum off the street can be a Wayne. Should be similar to the Lothar name.

If what you said was true then Concord will not have been a $400 million failure that died in 14 days of release. Literally all of them were DEI characters. The entire game in fact.
Nobody played it. Nobody purchased it. Companies have to get a return on their investment. The investors are the ones that are going to pull the plug on DEI and ESG since they actually have to sell. You actually need people playing your games.

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So you’re criticising that the character with a disability has to be black? Did I get that right?

I don’t think that Faerin lacks “femininity”. She’s understanding, she talks about feelings, she has a soft voice… all things that are generally associated with femininity.

No argument there, I’ve had enough discussions with people who hid behind these strawmen. But that’s exactly my point. If your “DEI character” has more to offer than just being a representative, if they’re well written, have a purpose in the story and don’t act like a Mary-Sue or Gary-Stu, then I have no issue with it. And so far, Faerin’s only talent seems to be motivating people - which seems fitting for a religious character.

Your point being what exactly?

There are always some people who complain about certain characters. How do you know that you’re in a majority?

You do realize that all Faerin did so far was helping Anduin back in the saddle? That she was little more than a supporting character for him? It was Anduin who revived Khadgar, not Faerin - she even decided to wait outside, instead of saving the day, like a Mary-Sue would. (That said, ironically, Anduin never really had a mother’s shoulder to cry on - only his distant father :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:)

So… Blizzard stole the name from their own character, without asking for your permission? :face_with_raised_eyebrow:

That… was my point. When all your character has to offer is “checking some boxes”, the story will suck, because they’re basically templates without personality or purpose. That’s why I say that the term “DEI-character” doesn’t fit for Faerin. If you change the color of her skin, she could still be Anduin’s shrink. If you gave her back her limbs and have her be an elf that recovers from magic addiction, her story would still work.

In short: She has more to offer than being black and being disabled - one of these things doesn’t even matter for her story, so… why bother?

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Yes being Black and having a Disability does not mean that they are beyond criticism. Does not meant that they are not a DEI character.

No she is specifically designed as an androgynous / masculine character. The dynamic is simply the Disney Star Wars Luke Skywalker effect. Where male characters are torn down so as to not outshine female characters.

DEI characters consistently fail. They are not likeable. They are unrelatable. Almost always self inserts of the activist developers.

Another example. Alfie Frey Holland is the protagonist of Forspoken. You can research yourself why she is an unlikeable character. She is another DEI character and Forspoken a DEI game.
$100 million production cost with nothing to show for it.

The number of DEI and ESG failures VASTLY surpass DEI and ESG successes if any success stories exist.

To explain. The cult of representation as I call them. Have the belief that people are incapable of enjoying content until they are “represented” in some way. This only speaks to a tiny minority of people unable to see the real world. It is why the Netflix Tv show called Shogun based in 1600s Japan was criticised for not having Black people “represented” in the show.

So. They are trying to be “representative” of disabled characters by showing more and more disabled characters.

Pretending to speak on behalf of disabled people.
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If the poster actually is disabled and in a wheelchair. Then this goes some way to show how the death of escapism can impact the paying customers - actual audience - players.

Every time an intellectual property is “adapted for the modern audience” the modern audience literally never shows up. They do not purchase comic books - games - consume content - they are not the audience.
So yes. Get Woke Go Broke does exist. Sales numbers are undeniable evidence of this.

The High King of the Alliance needs a crutch? A mommy figure to cry on her shoulder? He came back from the Maw which is supposed to be the World of Warcraft’s version of Hell. So weak he has become that he has a mental breakdown in a cave and need dear Mother Faerin to lead him out.

Competent - Strong Male characters are not permitted to coexist alongside strong competent female characters. The males are consistently torn down.

The Lothar name actually meant something. With different people that had the Lothar name accomplishing something.
It is like being born into a military family where grandfather served - father served - son served - but you the grandson decides to be a surfer or something.
You stain the family name in a sense.

To explain it for you. Activism is the sole and or number one goal. Not producing content that people will purchase or want to consume.

The skin color is not the problem the DEI and ESG specifically the political and ideological motivation behind this is the problem.
There are many many Black characters that are not DEI like Sheva Alomar from the Resident Evil franchise.

The cat is out of the bag. Eveyrone knows Faerin to be a DEI character.
Similar to how knowing that a company worked with Sweet Baby Inc actively drives away paying customers and gamers. Knowing that someone is a DEI character does not make people warm up to them.

But yet as a DEI character her being Black - Disabled - Androgynous and Masculine is the Unique Selling Point as a DEI character. So desperate are they to increase their DEI and ESG scores that they neglect to actually create a likeable character.

She already refused a prosthetic to not be disabled.
Why are the Black Females the scapegoat for DEI?
Why not have feminine Black female characters. I understand this already. Femininity itself is considered “problematic” to DEI and ESG as it is not “Inclusive” enough to biological males aka Trans Women.
It is not a coincidence that Su1c1de Squad Kills the Justice League their version of Wonder Woman a character originally released since 1941. Their version is extremely masculine - shoulders and physique - chin and jawline.

Androgyny and Masculine is the new “feminine”.
Don’t believe me? Look into how the face models for “modern games” the finished product almost always looks androgynous and masculine. Nothing like the women they are based on.

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Of course, you can criticise any character. But there’s legitimate criticism with actual constructive content and critique and there’s “She’s a DEI character!” - which is not criticism, but first of all, a subjective observation, coupled with an interpretation.

I disagree. She’s a woman who happens to have short hair - which is not that uncommon, especially among black women. She also has character traits that are generally associated with women. I don’t know what else rubs you wrong in that regard - is it that she wears actual armor and not a plate bikini like Sylvanas did? Without her armor, she has the usual female human proportions and also has a very warm and feminine voice.

And who did they “tear down”? You certainly can’t mean Anduin, he was “on the ground” long before Faerin was even introduced in the story. She’s also not comparable to MaRey Suewalker from the Star Wars movies.

Again, no argument there. I don’t deny that there are franchises and characters who exist solely to convey the writers’ political messages. And as I said, they were cases that bothered me too (CW’s Batwoman f.e.). Still, that doesn’t mean that every character that seems to meet “DEI standards” automatically is meant to be just that.
And in Faerin’s case, so far, we already know more about her than about supporting characters like f.e. Katherine Proudmoore in BfA.

And once again, I agree. I’m male and my first superhero was basically “Buffy the Vampire Slayer”. I could also relate to Blade, even though being white, I loved Eastern Action movies. And yes, I also believe that the concept of “You can’t enjoy a character unless they look like you / love what you love” is a stupid blanket statement and doesn’t represent the majority of people - as I said - no arguement there.

Again, I’m totally with you on that one. Still, as long as it fits the setting the movie/game plays in, there’s nothing wrong with being accurate and showing people who lost parts of their bodies in the wars. And in Faerin’s case, the setting is fitting. :man_shrugging:

Seriously, you’re trying to kick in unlocked doors here :wink:
I won’t argue with you that most attempts of “wokeness in franchises” have failed in the last years - that’s why I think that it’s important to defend those, who actually succeeded. As I said - in Faerin’s case, you could replace her with a white dwarf and the story would also work - because the color of her skin is not relevant - only her disability ads to her story, without being the single focus or taking away Anduin’s spotlight.

How about “The High King, who has fought in two wars, was then kidnapped, tortured, mindcontrolled and went through literal hell, needs some counseling and motivation”?
I find it ridiculous how people seem to be overwhelmed that a human character in WoW finally acts like a human being and not like the larger-than-life power fantasy that was Varian Wrynn.

Nathanos, Sylvanas, Tyrande, Malfurion, Alleria and Turalyon might disagree with you on that.

And we can’t have a horrible story like that in World of Warcraft, can we?
Can you imagine how the game would look like if, let’s say, a member of Kingdom’s royal family went rogue and… turned everyone into zombies? :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

You’re repeating, not explaining. If “activism is the sole and or number one goal”, why does Faerin have a story and a purpose? What would even be the message of this “activism”?

Do you know the political and ideological motivations behind Faerin Lothar or do you just assume to know them?

Did I order one argumentum ad populum and two strawmen? Or how is your answer connected to my quote? :face_with_raised_eyebrow:

Seriously, you’re creating a house of cards of baseless assumptions for yourself, it’s like you’re not replying, but writing a blog here. You don’t like her. And that’s fine. But deriving from that that “she’s an unlikeable character and therefore must be a DEI token, which in turn is offensive, because black characters are always the scapegoats and also…” is as erratic as it is absurd.

I was talking about an NPC in World of Warcraft, I didn’t order a half-baked TED talk about “DEI representation in modern media in general”.

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There are many feminine women that are feminine. That can not be mistaken for androgynous or masculine. It is a stereotype to think this of Black women.
What is being pushed are charicatures of what they think Black Women should be. Not what Black women actually are like.

Concord has many DEI Black and Brown people. In fact White characters were completely banned from their game. DEI and ESG consistently excludes White people.

Incorrect. There is a directive from Microsoft to make female characters less curvy. The female form is curvy. Of all of the various playable races in WoW there are curvy female body types.

High Exarch Yrel even though is not human. Is a feminine character. Somewhat based on the Joan of Arc archetype.
Why is it difficult to produce feminine characters? The reason being is that for DEI femininity itself is problematic.
Sylvannas did not have a plate bikini btw. She is just another Undead abomination.

Probably done pre-emptively so that he can not outshine Faerin.
Khadgar is another example.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMd1m_-YK9s&pp=ygUea2hhZGdhciBzYXZlcyB5cmVsIGFuZCBkdXJvdGFu
Khadgar of the past.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMvf0Zw2Mxg&pp=ygUYa2hhZGdhciBzYXZlZCBieSBhbGxlcmlh
Current year Khadgar the Mansel in Distress waiting for the HER-o to come save him.

This is become common place.
People are preferring to purchase old games rather than “modern” games.

That Batwoman movie was cancelled. As it would have done irrepairable damage to the Batman franchise. $90 million I believe to make it. But locked away forever.

Katherine Proudmoore was just there to pass on the mantle. The prodigal daughter returns story does not fit well either.
Derek is now Undead. Tandred wants nothing of leadership just sailing and leading the navy. The Kul Tirans look to the Proudmoore’s for leadership.

Hundreds of millions of $$$ is lost investing in DEI and ESG. Investors are not going to get a return on investment. Reason being is that when given a CHOICE the open Market does not go for such things.

Buffy the Vampire slayer movie released in 1992. Buffy TV show released in 1997. The rise of Wokeness was around 2010s.
You don’t have to be any ethnicity to enjoy Blade the vampire slayer. Just have a shared interest.
You reject the cult of representation. But they are trying to force themselves and exert dominance on games - tv shows - movies industries. The idea that only LGBT people can write and develop LGBT characters, and only Black writers can write and develop Black characters. It is nonsensical to the sane and well adjusted.

It’s odd that you genuinely believe that Faerin is a DEI success story.
:thinking: :thinking: :thinking: :thinking: :thinking: :thinking:

Leaders go through tough times. They can not afford to crumble. They have to overcome challenges and adversity not be broken by it.
Look at Tyrande Whisperwind. Tyrande and Malfurion tried to fight off the Horde. Malfurion defeated Sylvannas in MakGora and had their Warchief on her knees before him until Saurfang cheated and strike him in the back.

Despite Teldrassil and her people burning. Tyrande and Malfurion led the Night Elves in their conflict to drive the Horde away from Darkshore.

Varian Wrynn even when pierced by the weapons of the demons of the Burning Legion never faltered - never crumbled.

LOL Nathanos was extremely subservient to Sylvannas.
Malfurion and Tyrande have led the Night Elves in different parts. Turalyon is seperated from Alleria.
But yes. The timeline is suspicious.

Arthas Menethil is one of (if not) the greatest characters ever written in World of Warcraft. Calia Menethil refused to pass on the Menethil name. So it died with her.

Your example is wrong. Arthas Menethil was actually a ruler. His father upon his death told him the Iconic words “No King rules forever my son”.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAIrj_Vqdfc&pp=ygUVbm8ga2luZyBydWxlcyBmb3JldmVy

the “representation” of disabled characters - challenging gender stereotypes :point_left: which leads to masculine females and feminine males.

I know them. Hence why it is easier to recognise DEI and ESG characters.
The accronyms stand for Diversity Equity Inclusion and Environmental Social Governance. They are specifically Left Wing and Far Left Wing American politics. Based on Identity Politics - Social Justice - Gender politics - LGBT politics - Race politics and such.
Since you asked me to spell it out for you I done so.

Sweet Baby Inc is a company known for pushing specific politics and ideology on to the gaming industry. So much so that gamers and paying customers actively avoid companies and products that Sweet Baby Inc has worked on. DEI detected is another aspect of this.
There is no logical fallacies. Just observing the industry and what is happening.
Blizzard might not have worked with Sweet Baby Inc. But they are pushing DEI and ESG directives.

Not always a scapegoat. It is pattern recognition. Faerin of WoW. Neve of Dragon Age Veilguard.

You watch Ted Talks?
Do your own research. Western game devs have been making female characters Ugly - Androgynous - Masculine on purpose for years now.

I am not trying to convince you.
It could be an interesting case study. Assuming successful DEI characters exist.

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You… don’t say. :face_with_raised_eyebrow:

Is it a stereotype to think that it’s not that uncommon among black women to wear short hair? Maybe you should look up what “stereotype” means.

And I’m still not talking about Concord, no idea why you bring that up over and over again.


These are the normal human female proportions in WoW. So unless you can point out what in my post was incorrect, you’re fantazising.

Not anymore, no. Just take a look at her WotLk Model. And she had quite a followership among male players.

“Boss, I’ve got an idea. Let’s have Anduin kidnapped by Zovaal and walk through literal hell!”
-“But why?”
“So they can have a black disabled woman save him in 5 years, when our legal trouble is over and Blizzard’s leadership was replaced almost entirely!”
-“Great idea, let’s do that, I always wanted to enrage that one Dark Iron player in the forums!”

Yeah, seems legit. :man_facepalming:

You’re so entangled in your own confirmation bias that you try to force her into the “strong female Mary-Sue character” cliché and ignore her actions / role in the story - which is, being a support character who helps Anduin by motivating and inspiring him, unless he can revive a dying Khadgar without any help, all by himself and his faith.
It’s not that she taught him a unique “heal the void” spell or that she barged in there to save Khadgar herself. It’s not that she threw herself at an enemy that Anduin couldn’t defeat. All she did was what every good priest would do - inspire someone else and counsel them, until they find their faith again.

You could use that BS argument every single time a man is saved by a woman. We know that Khadgar is a powerhouse, he proved that in WoD and Legion. That was the whole point of his encounter with Xal’atath - to establish her as a threat who can take on our strongest mages.

Alleria also struggled against Xal’atath before, several times actually. Until Anduin (a man!) managed to convince her that she’s not alone and that she doesn’t have to rush off on her own every other time. You could have noticed that if you weren’t so hell-bent to fantasize a “woke”, “DEI” agenda into the story.

That was “Batgirl”. I was talking about The CW’s Batwoman series, who prioritized virtue signalling over story, to a point where the queer hero protagonist assured the queer school girl that it’s forgivable to derail a subway and almost kill all passengers in order to make her parents see her as a lesbian girl. This is “woke” storytelling that is actually problematic - “wokeness” is not the problem (on the contrary!) - it’s people who radicalize it and take it to the extremes by making it a irrational cult / religion.

And Faerin is just there to motivate Anduin. Just like Katherine stepped aside at the end and let Jaina use her magic, Faerin didn’t even take part in the final clash with Xal’atath, so that Anduin could find his magic again. It’s really not rocket-science when you pay attention to the story. :man_shrugging:

And you seem to have joined a cult where every non-white character is automatically there to pander to an agenda. So far, you’ve repeated again and again what “wokeness” and “DEI” did to the industries, but evaded every argument against your claim that Faerin is just a character to further that agenda. I’m giving you an example why she isn’t - and you answer with a weird strawman-statement about Concord.

Because.
Her.
Diversity.
Doesn’t.
Matter.
In.
The.
Story.
Or.
For.
The.
Purpose.
Of.
Her.
Character.
In It.

Otherwise, show me actual proof from ingame where the color of her skin or her gender makes a difference.

You’re almost there. Now, let’s do this step by step and take a look at Anduin:

He was raised as half-orphan and heir to the Throne.

When his father acted like the oaf he was, Anduin decided to study elsewhere, not relying on his father or the kingdom. → He went his own way.

Later, he was thrown on the Throne during a demonic invasion → He overcame that challenge by accepting his father’s death and started to rule.

He faced the aggression of the Horde, even took responsibility for not protecting the Night Elves at Teldrassil, led an army to Undercity and fought the Horde, until their leadership fled the scence. → He took responsibility, risked his life and was up to the challenge.

He rebuilt the friendly relationships to the Night Elves, even tried to do so with the Forsaken. Again, → he was up to the challenge

Even after his kidnapping, after being tortured in hell, → he faced Sylvanas with wit, determination and a head held high.

It was only when he was mindcontrolled by a cosmic villain, robbed of his free will and forced to kill others, that he started to crumble. To break Anduin Wrynn, they had to literally drag him to hell and be a mind-slave to a cosmic villain.

If there was anything ever in the WoW story that justified a moment of weakness and PTSD, it is THAT experience. If you want to see a flawless, one-dimensional power fantasy, play Cataclysm, revive demigods and watch Varian mow everyone down without flinching. But please, stop criticising actual character development in the WoW-story. :stuck_out_tongue:

Just as Anduin led the Alliance to Undercity. But in order to frame him as a “weak male character that has to be saved by a woman”, you can’t recognize that, can you?

Yes, a grown man in plate armor fell down on a metal killer robot, without breaking all of his bones, but instead one-hitting it, just to fight several demons right after that. The 12-year-old in me cheered for a second, until the adult noticed that this is just braindead “style-over-substance”-storytelling - which can be cool sometimes - but was undermined in the very moment a nameless trashmob stabbed the Horde’s Warchief in the most unnecessary and unepic way - especially, when compared to Varian’s final moments. Varian was a cool character - for 12 year olds.

With Anduin, we’ve gone up to a storytelling for at least 16 year olds.

Yet, people liked him for not being a suck-up to the “champion” and for fighting us in Sylvanas’ stead.

And you’re denying Faerin the chance to even have an impact on the story, based on her gender, her skin color and her disability, because "she could sully the Lothar name*. Just… think about it for a second. Not about Faerin, but… about what that says about you as a person.

is not a “message”. So it’s not an answer to my question.

Because she’s a woman who fights and leads? After Sylvanas? Draka? Alleria? Tyrande? Jaina? Are you kidding? Oh no, wait - it’s because she has short hair!

Maybe my question wasn’t specific enough: Do you know (and thereby can verify and prove) the motivations of the individual Blizzard writers? Have you talked to them or know them personally to have a factual base for your claims?

Or are you just claiming to know what they have in mind for Faerin and assume what their goals might be?

Seriously, it’s like I asked you something about cars and you replied with a monologue about the social economics in a beehive. If you want to argue, stick to what I said and stop with the apparent contradictions. All you’re doing is repeating your claims.

Yet you still haven’t shown or proven any of these patterns with Faerin (And no, being black and disabled is not a “pattern”).

Thank you for proving my point.
I tell you that I agree on a lot of criticism on the “woke”-thing, but that I’m talking about one specific character in WoW that doesn’t fit the usual stereotype and give examples, why she doesn’t fit it. You reply with a general statement about western game-development.

Your erratic behaviour starts to remind me of a certain forum roleplayer who also likes to ignore everything that contradicts their headcanon and keeps repeating their own personal opinion, as if it were factual evidence.

Anyway, you’ve made your position clear, even without any real ties to the game or factual evidence regarding the character we were talking about. So unless you actually plan to respond to my arguments in context and with examples about Faerin, please don’t bother to answer to this post.

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Well, I guess they got people talking about a new character, and they’ll book that as a success. And different from most expansion characters, with the “Worldsoul Saga” being one continung story with a continuing cast, as they stated before, we’ll likely see a lot more of her. My money is still on her and Anduin getting together - and to be frank, DEI hire or not, if she is going to overshadow Anduin that’s a win in my book. That guy seriously needs to get out of the spotlight and back into therapy.

I wouldn’t call Faerin a scuccess story yet, since she seems very bland to me right now, but there is nothing offensive to me in her actions or statements, as far as I could tell. If she stays as bland as I find her, that’s okay, most Warcraft characters are no better. But with at least 2 more addons to go there is a good amount of time to actually improve on it.

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If Faerin was to appear as part of the roster of Concord she will fit right at home. Another DEI character in a DEI game.

I will explain it this way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYdFLUBjwCU&t=7s
From the shoulders up. It is a gender based guessing game. Is that a biological Male or biological Female.
You can draw a male character’s face and head and put it on a female body and vice versa.
Ugly females can still be feminine Ugly males can still be masculine.
See how this works? Androgynous - Masculine females and Feminine males does create confusion.

The stereotype that Black Women are masculine. It plays into the negative portrayal of Black Women. Usually the loud mouth character - the angry Black woman - now the masculine looking or acting. There are several negative stereotypes and portrayals of Black Women.

Okay. So we agree?
Why not continue producing feminine women? Why exclude feminine women?

You are the one that talks about Mary Sue character btw.
You call it confirmation bias. I simply say what I see.

Guardian used to mean something. They diminish the man they diminish the title. The Guardian of Azeroth needs a strong women to come to his rescue. Perhaps step down from position of Guardian.

It is manipulative of you. Do not believe your lying eyes. There is no DEI story. Correct?

You understand that Woke activists sole priority or main priority is activism.

I will explain it this way.
After tearing down Luke Skywalker in the Last Jedi. Disney thinks it is possible to bring back Luke Skywalker. They can not.
Anduin Wrynn his conviction was strong enough that the Light itself answered him in the Maw which is supposed to be World of Warcraft’s version of Hell.

But a bit of domination magic caused a dereliction of duty as High King of the Alliance as he wanted to hang out in the Maw longer. To do what? Find himself?
They ruined the story of the young King who had his coming of age as he stepped up with the loss of his father. Recovering Varian’s sword.

Ah. I am talking to the converted then.
Black - Asian - Latina there are many non White characters that have nothing to do with DEI and ESG.
You might not be able to spot the difference between a DEI Black etc… character from a regular Black character. But others can.
Time will tell how the rest of the War Within story will unfold. If they quadruple down on DEI and ESG or walk back from it.

The Alliance needed its High King. Yet Turalyon has to rule in place of Anduin. His weakness endangers the many people of the Alliance that needs their leader.

Yes a valiant last stand giving his people a chance. To learn from the defeat then face the threat at hand.
Guldan is no ordinary Orc.

Ah the ‘I am the only adult in the room’ mentality.

Bootlicker would be a more accurate description.

That is another strawman created.
Will see how the story of Faerin unfolds. Being a mother for Anduin to cry on her shoulder is a strange start.

No. You don’t understand the politics and ideology behind it. Look at 2019 She Rah Princess of power compared to the original 1980s version. The 2019 is a boy in a dress the 1980s is an actual feminine woman. Making masculine females and feminine males is how they do so.

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Yes it seems that he has failed his father, failed the line of Wrynn and unfit to be the High King of the Alliance.

Faerin on her own is a forgetable character.
However as one DEI character in a Woke era that is pushing DEI and ESG. Knowledge that Blizzard Entertainment’s Chief DEI officer and Global DEI officer is hard at work. Lets you know that the path of Blizzard products including the World of Warcraft is forever changed.

Faerin is the symptom and not the disease itself.
But you see gamers - paying customers - players - content consumers rejecting DEI and ESG as the list of failed DEI games movies and tv shows continues to grow.

It is possible to inherit something and then ruin it. Disney Star Wars purchased 2012 is evidence of this.
There is also Doctor who that began in the 1960s until activists ruined it.
Proving no franchise is too big to fail.

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I don’t see that Anduin has failed, the whole arc seems to be that he is supposed to be more of an diplomat and healer rather than fighter that his father was

Anduin Wrynn is a failure.
To explain.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zL2psG7ivcA
Just after the events of the "Purge of Dalaran. Around the 6 minute timestamp.
Lorthemar Theron leader of the Blood Elves did not have a mental breakdown and look for somewhere to cry.

He was decisive - Gave his people order and directions - instructions but more importantly something to rally around. Not only rallying the Blood Elves to minimize the fall out but led operations to stop Lei Shen the Thunder King and secure the release of the Blood Elves in the Violet Hold.
The presence of a leader and their behaviour and such can increase or decrese morale.

Then there is Talanji
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWumaStLgDM
Her father literally just died in her arms. Then there is the strange connection or pact with Bwonsamedi.
Yet in a time of crisis. The invasion of Dazar’Alaor the line of succession was clear even without an ascension ceremony. The Zandalari Trolls turn to their leader. “The Alliance Dogs are escaping! What are your orders?!!”

Talanji in that moment understood that her people comes first. Dealing with this crisis is the immediate issue to address. They did not know if the Alliance will wreak havoc or not after all Rhastakhan was just murdered.

Different peoples. Different crisis. Different leaders. But they acted as leaders should. In tough times people turn to their leaders - political or spiritual for some kind of hope guidance reassurance etc…
Anduin Wrynn was not the only one under the Jailers domination magic. Yet he chose to whimper and cry in the Maw.

The Anduin that came of age. Was someone that the Alliance could rally around. Even though we just lost our High King Varian Wrynn. We could stand with Anduin as the blood of Wrynn still seem strong. So we have a Burning Legion to defeat.

But who can rally around this? There there Mother Faerin is right here for Anduin to cry his heart out on her shoulder again.
Anduin failed as High King of the Alliance and leader of the Humans of the Alliance.
There has to be a new King. Then Anduin can go off to cry somewhere until he runs out of tears.

If it does, it’s already happened. Crying over spilled milk, and all that. It’s annoying, especially since you start the same tune at any opportunity. I am sure there are tons of discords where they talk all day about this stuff. Drinker and friends aren’t exactly a niche product anymore, so what you’re saying isn’t getting any more new or exiting. I even mostly agree with your perspective on it, but here it is pointless and out of place.

At the very least, don’t tag me again with that crap.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
You are one of the more interesting ones to engage with on the forums.
Fair enough.

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Anduin was too young when he was put on pedestal and expected to lead whole faction.
You cant really expect him to handle things like varian did after so many years of exprience and age. He was just an kid basically even when he was under jailers domination magic.

I completly understand why he is in state he is the whole start of expansion after all this. Though i have to agree with the faerin just dampens down this whole story arc, i didnt like the lines she said to anduin after you killed the cultists in the leveling campaign

Perhaps. That is why a coming of age makes a man or woman out of someone despite their physical age.
The Alliance was led into the 4th War that the Horde started.

Even the broken who are forever changed body and soul by the Burning Legion and the Manari. Are not as broken as Anduin at this moment. Some of them chose defiance regardless of the state they devolved into.

The expansion is yet to play itself out.