Faerin Lothar, WTF is this writing?

I’ll take the compliment, no hard feelings. But really, I am already following the grand meta-narratives about Disney, StarWars, Star Trek, Marvel and co that are probably more entertaining than many of their current products. I don’t need you to explain them to me.

Well the thing is with the broken and such they had crazy amount of time to reflect and understand and gain some strenght. Just like even with forsaken time heals or puts you in another direction

Might be accused of derailing the thread. Somehow the $230 million loss for Disney Star Wars the Acolyte did sting.
Preferred pronouns in space did not bring in the audience. Rotten Tomatoes viewers lowest score of 13% did not help. Their army of shills waging war against the viewers also did not help.

Forsaken try to prove they are not Undead abominations. Yet just like Arthas Menethil their former King they force others into Undeath.
You get my point. Instead of becoming stronger and better BECAUSE of the adversity and challenges Anduin is broken by it.
The mental breakdown for being in a dark cave and had to have Mother Faerin lead him out. Shows how broken he is.

The point is that he is broken, he still doesnt understand either who he is and if they can write this well, he will be in the end stronger than he ever was before. I dont kind of agree with the writing though that its all about light and it not listening him. His build up story should become from himself not from some outer sources giving him power

Also he has shown backbone back in the day, He went and tried to talk garrosh down even risking his own life with it. So the charachter isnt completly “weak”

Tear down Anduin and rebuild him. Into what exactly?

Yes it was wreckless. Considering Garrosh broke every bone in his body.
The Light responds to conviction. It is why the Scarlet Crusade maintain their connection.

I don’t think thats explained anywhere that heavily why light chooses to support who they choose. other than in older lore and its been retooled manytimes. It just seems like light will help anyone who will push lights own goals

See how this works?

Case closed, thank you.

Let’s see:

  1. We’ve established and proven that the proportions of Faerin’s model are just like any other human female model - except for the ears and a unique hairstyle (which is not the only short hairstyle for female characters).

  2. She has a feminine voice and sounds like any other woman
    https://youtu.be/nTsE8d0BvkQ?t=30

  3. She showed compassion, listened to Anduin and gave him advice, opened up to him and told him about her own losses and her past.

All things that are well within the “feminine role spectrum”.
So unless you haven’t something more credible and specific than “BUT DEI IS A TREND RIGHT NOW, AND… ANDUIN DOESN’T URINATE ON HER TO ASSERT HIS DOMINANCE!”, the “stereotype” and “negative portrayal” seems to exist only in your head. If you have any evidence to the contrary, feel free to show it, otherwise, please don’t waste my time. :man_shrugging:

That water is water? Yes.
Still, your turn to prove that Faerin is not “feminine”.

And ignore everything that doesn’t fit your narrative. The female model. The feminine voice. The feminine character traits. (Prove me wrong, I dare you)

Anduin was never the “Guardian of Azeroth”. He never claimed to be and nobody called him that. Even better, he did step down from being king of Stormwind and Highking of the Alliance for the moment, because he is in no shape to rule (yet)
You ramble incoherent stuff about “OMG why doesn’t he get over it, he’s supposed to be a leader” - guess what? This is the story of him getting over it.
If you don’t want to see HOW Anduin recovers, that’s your problem. Just quit the game and come back when this story arc is over. :man_shrugging:

Please, do me a favour. Watch the 2 seasons of Batwoman. Watch the characters explain to each other, why this man’s behaviour is racist, why that man’s behaviour is sexist and why double-standards can only be used by white people, but never people of color or queer people. Watch characters tell straight to the camera how and why they change their personality and how the story of the actual episode has impacted their personality and how society is the real problem, because it’s not woke enough.

And then, after going through all these episodes, come back and tell me without lying that you stil think that Faerin Lothar’s story is “a DEI story with a DEI character”.

tl;dr
No, I don’t think that the Anduin’s story with Faerin as supporting character is a DEI story - or that Faerin is “just a DEI character”.

What you still need to prove is that these woke activists have anything to say at the WoW storytelling. (Just to clarify: No, your personal assumptions are not evidence)

Yes, a “bit” of nonconsensual forced control over his body and mind (can’t use the R-word here) broke the High King of the Alliance - and understandably so.

Start his therapy with the only person left that knows what it means to be violated and go through a hell like that: Sylvanas Windrunner. It’s all in the story (when you pay attention).

Yes… because there’s only 0 and 1, nothing in between. After all, you have to join a cult in this world, right? RIGHT?!

Like you, the expert without arguments, armed only with their own assumptions. :clap:

And again, not at all related to the part of my post that you quoted there.

Yeah, that was definetly the point of the cinematic! :crazy_face:
Without him, the others would never have learned that Gul’dan can use… Fel-magic! Varian really gave them a valuable information there!

No, I’m just implicating that a 12-year old might find warriors vs killer robots cool, while the 16-year-old might understand how Anduin feels violated after being mind-controlled and needs time to heal. You know, psychology. Grown-up-stuff.

No, it isn’t, you wrote that

and compared Faerin to “a surfer in a family of military tradition”. She hasn’t even done anything relevant besides inspiring Anduin and her people, so… even that comparison falls flat.

And once again, whenever you are confronted with Faerin’s status in comparison to the other female characters of the Warcraft universe, you evade and have to rely on other media that haven’t even the slightest connection to WoW to prove your point.

This is an endless feedback loop.
Wait and see how the War Within turns out.

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Yeah, that ususally happens when you continue to press the same button over and over again and completely ignore what is written on the screen. :man_shrugging:

I’ve asked you several times for examples or evidence in the game to prove your claims.
I’ve even shown you evidence why some of your claims are straight out wrong.

Still, you keep holding disconnected, opinion based lectures about “The hypocrisy of DEI in the western gaming industry” and don’t even address the points I made, despite specifically quoting them.

Seriously, what did you expect? :smile:

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I’ll take up that bet, why is khadgar in a floating wheelchair, it’s already floating, it doesn’t need the wheels, it’s added for the “diversity” not for the purpose of plot.

Why does Faerin turn down a functioning prostehic arm, when that would fix the problem she complains about the terribly designed shield putting too much pressure on her shoulder joint. No it wouldn’t throw off her balance because she has the terrible shield attached to her shoulder the way an arm would so she would not be out of balance, it’s just another we need to have someone visibly disabled. Honestly she would be 100% better if they just left her without an arm and yeeted the dumb shield, it’s terrible in design, if anything if just looks like a graphical bug instead of intentional design.

The ethnic diversity issue in the game, is a problem that they don’t really seem to want to fix. It’s not possible to get white and black people developing around the same environment. Humans of different ethnicity aren’t different species, we’re only different shades of colour because of the environment in which our ancestors lived, it’s impossible to have asain, black, white characters all developing from the same source in the same geographical area. If you want ethic diversity amongst humans you have to give a reason as to why there is such diversity in game. For example Night elves and Blood elves are functionally the same people but the high elves were exiled and without the well of eternity or the world tree’s powers they started to change separate from the night elves.

Colouring in almost all mammalian life is environmental and genetic. If you want the audience to suspend their disbelief to have a world of magic. You have to then give plausible in world reasoning for any other changes for things that exist in the real world. They could easily do this, all they need is to establish a human kingdom in a more tropical environment in which the vast majority of the NPC’s are black, this then establishes a root for why there’s such diversity, have this nation interact alot with Stormwind and boom makes perfect sense why there’s alot of ethic diversity because it’s a world with portals and teleportation, people migrating from one area to another is not exactly going to be uncommon.

The issue in media is almost never inclusion of a group it’s in how the inclusion is done, if you’re lazy and doing it just to tick boxes the story and product suffers.

You’re correct IGN just created a false narrative the previous year making the devs out to be Sexist monsters, by intentionally mistranslating a statement the devs made. They did not give it a bad review based on diversity, that was screenrant that claimed the cons of the game were lack of diversity, see review below.

h ttps://screenrant.com/black-myth-wukong-review/

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Not everyone can be stoic at all times you need to accept that. Varian was a Mary Sue by the book and his chadness tore down everyone around him. It is better we finally have people react to constant death and war realistic way instead of shrugging it off.

Varian being a Mary Sue is the most foolish thing I heard you say. Had to flee the Horde as a child when Stormwind was sacked. Seperate by black dragon shenanigans and had to survive in the Hordes gladiator pits. The strong side of him while the weak willed one a puppet for the black dragons.

Adversity - conflicts - suffering. Rising to the occasion and overcoming such challenges inspire of it is what matters not to be broken by them.

When the Blood Elves were kicked out of Dalaran Lorthemar Theron did not cry in a corner somewhere. He gave them direction leadership something totally against. As the Blood Elves faced the threat of Lei Shen for the Horde and the High Elves and Jaina for the Alliance side.

When Rhastakhan was killed by the Alliance. Talanji literally had her father die in her arms and felt the strange mojo from an unknown pact with Bwonsamedj. Yet when the Zandalari Trolls looked to their leader “The Alliance dogs are escaping! What are your orders?!”.

Talanji understood what was important. Decisively chose to address the threat at hand. The Alliance that just murdered their King and could possibly be wreaking more havoc in Dazar’Alor.

Leadership - Direction - Something to rally around - Source of inspiration.

Yet seemingly spiteful game Devs go out of their way to have Anduin say himself that he ran away. From Stormwind being King everything.
Dereliction of duty is a very serious offence.
But it is the Last Jedi’s Luke Skywalker treatment all over again. So as to not outshine their new DEI character.
Welcome to the World of Girlbosses.

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Reminds me of song of ice and fire, stannis baratheon who was always stoic, but showed some vulnerability with renly’s peach plotpoint. It is more realistic writing to show some weakness sometimes though sametime its important to portray it right way

High King Varian was not an unfeeling robot. Anduin did temper his rage as well. Such as when Varian was about to kill Moira for her kidnapping Anduin as she made a play to be sole ruler of Ironforge. Anduin was the one that convinced him to spare her.

But Anduin can’t even be called a weak king at this point. Just a broken doll that keeps crying on Mother Faerin’s shoulder.

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True also i remember when Jaina was trying to make varian kill all the leaders in MoP but he chose not to even if he was pissed off. That shows some charachter

High King Varian Wrynn understood duty and responsibility. Something that he tried to teach Anduin at every opportunity.
Yet despite the coming of age that Anduin had in Legion where he had to visit the place his father died for himself. Either he cast aside all of his Fathers lessons as in the game Anduin said himself that he simply ran away. Or the character Anduin has been completely changed down a different direction just to tear him down.

I gave examples of Lorthemar Theron and Talanji. That when they face times of adversity and challenge. Leaders should not crumble and find a corner to cry in. The reason being is that others are in need of their leaders. Guidance - direction - something to rally behind - the decision maker that leads them through challenge and crisis.

Which is why dereliction of duty is what comes to describe Anduin Wrynn in what appears to be a DEI era of WoW.
Since the tropes of tearing down strong and competent males so they never outshine females have been happening since the Last Jedi movie.

Thankfully your standards are not approved by Blizzard. Men can cry too.

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Seems to be Horde bias then.
Horde still has decisive leaders their people can rally behind.
They are probably planning on installing Faerin as High Queen of the Alliance or something.

You saw Thrall having feelings in the TWW trailer. Also talking Thrall he is already the softest Orc we ever had.

It could be accurate to say that Thrall is the Horde and the Horde is Thrall.
From breaking free of the internment camps - saving the DarkSpear and Bloodhoof Tauren - Bringing in the Blood Elves and Forsaken to secure a hold on the Eastern Kingdoms - Bringing in the Bilgewater Goblins and more.

The entirety of the Horde has Thralls Orcish fingerprints all over. There are talks of Thrall returning to the Horde as Warchief. The Horde has always prospered under Orcish rule. To claim that Thrall is weak after everything he has done for the Horde is nonsensical.

Why does an Alliance player have to teach you about Horde history?
His connection to the elements is something that seems temperamental. However A Shaman’s strength has always been their relationship with the elements.

Thrall is one of those that tries to keep the peace. Endless wars never benefit anyone. Time to recover - rebuild - replenish numbers territories and societies is needed.