Seriously, how is there 0 mentions of feral druid, specifically cat form and PvP anywhere?
It really needs buffs.
Biggest issues:
- We oom extremely quick. Literally 3 shapeshifts or 1-2 shapeshifts+1 heal and youre oom.
The fix: Add the rest of the King of the Jungle rune u copied from WOTLK. Aka the 60% cat/bear form reduction
- No slow, no maim: Druids are actually a rly easy melee to kite, because we cant shift because we go oom too fast, and no slow and being the only class that has a positional requirement(e.g. Shred) is not fun design.
The fix: Add infected wounds somewhere:
- Ferocious Bite 5pt does less than combo pt builders: Does less dmg than shred even with 5 combo points. Barely more than mangle. Not good design, finishers need to feel rewarding.
The fix: Rend and tear talent effect from WOTLK, e.g. +25% FB crit on bleeding targets.
- Rip and rake deal way too little damage. Barely worth pressing even after buffs. Again, doesnt feel good.
The fix: Primal Gore talent from WOTLK, let rake and rip crit.
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Also Savage Roar should be passive. They should completely rework Bite. Even with the the suggestion here its still just garbage. Maybe make it like Overpower for warriors. Otherwise good stuff.
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No , i see where this is going. Just want the whole wotlk toolkit. We saw how that went. With less mana used tou can kite any class to death. Not like you aint allready doing that
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Ferals kiting people to death? Can you be serious for a second?
A feral has 1600 mana buffed, and shapeshifting costs 500 mana. We are literally one of the least mobile melees.
Also, it is far from the full wotlk toolkit. Very far.
The biggest, obvious thing being we would still have no cyclone, or predators swiftness(instant clone/root/heal), among many other things.
And mind you, rogues have gotten ranged kidney that crits leather for 350-400. Shadowstep. Why cant ferals have similar, strong TBC/wotlk abilities and talents?
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Becouse you got an adrenaline rush + trinket on A rune Beats any rogue Rune out there allready.
Bear got buffed , you have 4 viable specs allready. Where is the rogue combat ress, off heal / swap form to take aggro in emergencys . Mark of the wild , + 3 crit talent . Windfury.
You atleast have A spot in any scenario for whatever is needed in pvp and pve
How much do you want ??
Feral is extremely bad for PvP compared to rogue. If you dont see that, you are just bad, inexperienced or blinded by playing rogue.
You can list abilities all day and make “but you are hybrid”, “but you have other viable specs” and it doesnt matter. Feral is feral. And it doesnt work, because in SOD the gamepace is too fast, damage is too high and instant, and we oom 2-3 shapeshifts, so the whole feral “kite and heal and slowly whittle them down” is completely broken.
I dont care that I can respec moonkin and be OP - dual spec isnt here so its a massive hassle since I tank and main feral for my guild, and I dont want to play moonkin.
The only thing feral is good at in PvP is being tanky in bear form. Literally only that.
I dont care about PvE, but for what its worth I think both ferals and rogues should be buffed for raids.
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I have played whole life feral in every part of classic WoW. Even i Vanilla without any runes i was very good. Your main problem here is you want to playing with the same talents and gear in PvP and PvE. This is impossible! So you should decide what is your main goal. If you want to playing PvP need items with “rainbow” stats thats mean all stat items. Because when you taking rogue items which are without intel, spirit, you cannot change the forms so many times. Even in PvE for power shifting in the long boss fights you need items like that and many mana pots. I have druid now and i test it in many cases in PvP as feral, PvE as dps and tank feral and i can say is damn good. But most of the people want to pressing one button and to making good dmg. This cannot happening with the druids, their game play is made to be hard and to use almost every ability/spell in any form if you want to be good! So my advice for you is on 60 lvl (if you don’t want to changing forms ofc) the hybrid build is for you! Only humanoid form, with a lot of dmg and healing 30/0/21 and u will be good healer, dps and pvp without any talent changing with constant gear! 
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Yeah because feral is bad, we should wait until 60 and go balance/resto. Good solution. Makes perfect sense…
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No, i told you if you want to be lazy and to do not LF proper gear, changing talents and etc. W8 to 60 lvl to be lazy. Did you understand me now or you were lazy to read the previous post? 
Oh ok. Wake me up when you find said items on the loot table. And when those items doesn’t aren’t less viable for PvE because they have int, spi, spell power that removes melee stats.
You are talking about being lazy. And your solution to the problem is just that, lazy.
Feral is not playable right now. And I think you would know that if you are as “good” as you say you are. Go into a AB match and you will see only Starfall, no feral charge.
The “hybrid tax” isn’t supposed to be a thing in SoD. So don’t give me that s hi t.
Editing your post too, nice…
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This man tripping. Pass me some of the stuff you’re on please brother.
I’ll trade you berserk rune for 40 energy shred with no positional requirement in a heartbeat.
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Dont think iv read such a delusional take in the last 20 years of playing this game. Saying, especially in vanilla wow that Feral was “very good” is just… damn. We must be playing different games here.
PvP Feral was horrible. And the only way to “play it” was that Feral/healer hybrid in mostly healer gear to flag carry. But thats not Feral. Nowdays (SoD) Cat hits hard yes, but dies faster than it kills. Saying get “Rainbow items” is also pointless. As deep Feral you are not going to outtank a Rogue lets say. They hit too hard, so you being able to shift more wont change anything. You are not getting away from a half decent Rogue, you will just die faster then more you shift out of Bear.
Saying “you want 1 button” is actually another gem of a take. Feral needs a lot of its toolkit that came in later xpacs to survive. The raw deep down Feral pvp toolkit atm is full vanilla. Where as most other specs got nearly up to Legion in their toolkit. See the problem ?
And saying Feral dps is “damn good” well damn dude, I guess the other 99.9% of the Ferals must be doing something wrong since we are a lot further down in comparison to the rest of the dps while hitting 99’s.
TLDR: Feral would be getting the Rogue treatment atm if it was not for Windfury. But having a mandatory buff does not = fun to play.
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P2 is only for mage/shaman other class can’t perf silly !
lmao there’s isn’t a single top performing spec and the only playable spec in pvp is restokin , nice try troll
I agree. Spending your combo points on rip or bite should activate savage roar, it would feel far less clunky.
Spending rogue’s combo points on any finisher should activate slice and dice
Spending 10 rage on any ability should activate battle shout for warriors
Casting any spell should put all warlock’s dots on target
Hitting once should activate all shaman’s totems instantly
Autoattacking should put hoj stun on paladin’s target
Putting shield on himself should fear everyone close to priest
Casting any spell as mage should counterspell mage’s target
Equipping ranged weapon should increase hunter’s pet damage by 10x
anything else?
I agree with you on rogues and warriors should have a passive brought in for SoD for slice and dice and battle shout.
For an RP perspective it makes sense.
The rogues replying to these posts as if feral was somehow FINE and rogue actually really really struggling are just… smfh. Sure, rogue could use help in PvE as well. But come on.
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They could use a lil love in PvE for sure, but to act like we are in any better position than them in pvp because of berserk is the most fried take. We can pop fear break with it but we are only spamming mangle cause no good player is giving their back to you outside of the pounce window with no stun.
At that point you might as well go bear form and spam mangle cause you might at least survive half the duration of berserk that way.
Gimmie maim, Skull bash, Feral Charge in cat and 40 energy cost shred with no positional requirement over berserk rune any day
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