Nerf them more. Make them unplayable in arena. Most obnoxious skillfree nonsense healer specc in the game.
Some constructive deeply thought through points here. The fact that itâs a lock making these arguments makes it even better.
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Oh sorry, should have posted from my monk. My bad.
The problem with fistweaver is that it breaks BGs and it breaks the holy trinity of RPGs. Without dampening, they have the healing and damage throughput of both a dps and a healer at the same time, effectively counting as two players for every single spot they fill. Not being able to kill healers in BGs now without an arms warrior is already infuriating, try getting killed by an unkillable wannabe rogue with nothing but hand slaps.
If you thought fistweavers made solo shuffle unbearable to play, try fighting 2-3 of them in BGs.
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pls dont nerf ret only monk
I donât mind caster Mistweaver being good but Fistweaver is an abomination.
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109% agree delete them alreadyâŚ
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I have 6 max level alts so that doesnât change shiet. But whatever 
I donât really know the mana cost of fistweaving, but maybe increase the mana cost of all abilities? So they get oom really fast, i mean they are literally another dps with big heal.
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The problem with the current design is that they take a healer spot. So if you queue into BGs or solo shuffle you get a fistweaver as your healer. This has issues because;
- If fistweaver healing is lackluster for the healing spot, people will feel like they got the short end of the stick for getting a fistweaver.
- If fistweaver healing is great, but the dmg is not, then fistweaver is just a healer that requires more risk of doing dmg at the same time.
- If fistweaver healing is great, and the dmg is as well, then we get the current fistweaver meta were one class fills two playerâs spots by having both incredible healing and incredible dmg.
Literally the only spot the fistweaver can get without breaking the gameâs grouping system is to place it as a dps and then reduce its healing output, but that kind of destroys the concept.
So the fistweaver design at its core breaks the foundation of the WoW holy trinity, its group finder and the balance between healers and dps.
They can and should put a cd on the ability like melee wings, not hard for Blizzard to do as crane in legion had a cd already and was very strong that way already.
Otherwise the design isnât really an issue itself, it remind me a bit like wod gladiator spec prot warrior it was a tank with a dps setup (got no clue how it was in pvp cause I was a full time pve player but the concept was fun).
From what I remember it followed the same design problem as fistweaver, that it is filling two roles at the same time, and so it either becomes a master of none (thus never picked), or it becomes too strong as a single player.
Before group finder, concepts such as fistweaver and gladiator prot warrior are fun and thematic ideas, but they need to redesign the group finder to have a hybrid role for these speccs, or it will become impossible to balance.
As a dps, you dont want to queue into a 3v3 with another dps and then a hybrid versus opponent team having a full fletched healer. BUT if you could be a dps queueing into 2 hybrids, that would be fine AND FUN. So I am all for making more classes unique and hybridy in their core, but current WoW group finder does not really support it.
Edit: nvm he queued on EU for some reason. Thought it was NA.
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remove fistweaving or make it a cooldown atleast
i swear current fistweaving is the most retarded spec design ive seen so far in wow
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What you did weâre quite the classic though, ty
And when Maldiva goes âIf I didnt have to cast as demo this would be fairâ(due to arms warrior/ret lobby) yea⌠I still like maldiva but, his mentality has rly gone down due to rets. Sadge.
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What do you mean with that?
just donât stay in the stomp area and youâll be fine
and iâd rather we have a mw/rsham meta than abominations such as disco and rdruid
Just mind that its not an insult, just that its a classic where you bandwagon something without checking properly beforehand, and you linked a picture with 2 rets in an RSS saying thats why its still âbrokenâ.
Meaning you didnt rly give information on why its still broken, just that its still broken due to 2 rets in an RSS where you did not check whether it was on NA or EU since you still have to mind that theres a huge amount of rets still, so even if they nerf it below S tier you will still see them around until S2 most likely.
Oh donât worry. And even if you meant to insult me over it i wouldnât really care anyways.
But yeah, the mistake is on my end. I am not really denying that though. No real point riding on it. Also itâs widely know what makes ret and fw broken. If the nerfs donât do it the reasons will still be the same.
Oh itâs THAT easy?! Man, if we all just asked you before anything.
I really donât want to rating flame, but for some reason i am not surprised that such a statement comes from such a playerâŚ
Ofc the reasons will still be the same. But your reason for why it was broken were a picture of 2 rets in RSS without other explanation when there are too many rerollers/FOTM, so even if they got nerfed they would still play it with the belief its still broken for awhile more 
But anyway, have a good day!