Yeah we wont win if we dont turtle since ally have much more advantage in just rushing and after we wipe them 2 times the typical alliance premade leaves
Alliance could indeed win without premades zug zug as made evident by the first two days of AV where premades did not exist and legit pug vs. pug were literally owned by alliance.
Whereas horde can only win âpugsâ when half their teams are afk or grinding harpies.
The difference is abysmal.
Because horde are asking for premade removal thinking theyâll win most of the time. Just look at the trend of the comments. Alliance trash, suck, they can only win in premades.
Iâm asking for premade removal, as alliance, because I donât have the time and certainly not the appetite to tickle the entitlement of some nolifers for a spot in a good premade.
As a bonus horde will also get the worst part of the bargain facing 1h+ games with their turtle strategy, for a modest win chance and 2h+ queue times. I canât wait to laugh at all the
horde tryhards when they are going to do 2-3 AVs per day. Same tryhards that justified killing lvl 50s for 10 honor with get gud, go retail or some other sht.
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your biggest achievement in wow was to kill the lich king 2expansions later. i wouldnt call anyone trash in your position xd
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If u wanna know i killed lk in WOTLK it was not while it was retail it was on a private server if u wanna whine more about it just suck my dick
i dont whine im amused
Let me guess u are one of thoose alliance babys defending them that is probably still rank 2
What can 40 unorganized and most likely less geared ppl do against 40 ppl in discord better gear and better setup ? They turtle. Does it work - ofc not. Other option is lose in 8 min and back to the 40min que. I donât understand the critique against it. Should you just let premade auto win or what ?
You are turtling even against 20 players pugs.
We canât have them cap a tower. Better send 20 hordes to deal with the 3 alliance that had 100% mounts and managed to get through.
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Taking back objectives is not turtling for me. If 40 ppl stay at Drek room with no 1 north thats turtling and yes its stupid because you just waste your time at this point.
It is turtle. We could have all nice games were we farm rep and honor even in a defeat. But no, you have to have the satisfaction of depriving alliance pugs of any gains possible, just out of spite. But then you come and complain about premades stomping you and ruining your gains.
The irony. Hilarious.
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Other option: spend the following 8 mins doing something productive for you and your rankers. Do objectives. Just had a AV where after 13 minutes of playing, the horde had 369 bonus honor, and 30+ where recalling in frostwolf keep. Fortunately for them, a couple of them were actually intelligent enough to 3man one extra alliance commander making them end up with roughly 600 extra honor.
Total game lasted for like 20 minutes, very small gains from HKs due to share + dminishing return. Do you consider that efficiency? Imagine being a legit horde ranker and getting stuck is such a braindead AV where your team mates are building their game around the purpose of annoying the opponents, hindering your progress.
Learn from russians, most of them probably have longer queues than the rest of the EU and this is precisely why they are not so stupid to waste even more time with unproductive clownfiesta. They hardly defend, they rush north and end up with almost as much honor as our premade.
EU horde logic is instead: I waste time in queue already, so letâs waste even more.
Also,
this happens more than one would think. And Claud is right, turtles happen regardless as horde mentality (as made evident by a meme screenshot) is just to make alliance waste time because of the frustration of the long queues.
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Ofc itâs not efficient. When you are against high rank premade your best option is to defend your bunkers and kill elites + balinda and get mines if possible. Drek will die regardless and turtling in base is just waste of time and most likely honor because you will lose bunkers too.
However against low rank premades itâs worth to defend because if you push them back they give up as it happens quite often. And to answer Etre - i donât think horde doesnât let alliance pugs get towers out of spite. When u wait for 40 min u just have to get the max honor possible. Itâs just that simple mate.
Ok, I just hit 60 few days ago, late starter. How AV works, you get honor bonus for having your own faction towers up and if so, how much ?
I donât remember so but maybe I forgot things.
Yes if game ends and you still control your towers u get honor. 200 per tower i believe.
They can join to any number queue (for example 30). It is not a problem.
All of allies towers always open for attack because allies dont have âone-point defend lineâ. But alliance can attack only IB tower before others.
So, i offer to add 40 alliance players more to compensation this disadvantage.
Do you know what is alliance premade? It is random 20-28 players who accept one queue number. Their gear is not better your, their setup not better your(but not less than 4 healers). They have single requirement - 100% mount. And they always to lose. The single difference from pug is ability to farm honor. When you win you donât even suspect that it was a premade.
Turtle should make near IB tower rather than at Drek.
That is simply not true dude. There is nothing random about the ppl that are in premades. They are the exact same ppl over and over again because itâs just rly simple to get in AV with instant ques. Just sign for the AV number that most of the ppl are in. If not drop the que and go again. Thatâs why we have games 40v10 and 40v20 for a long period of time.
And yes they have better gear because most ppl who premade are rank 10 and above. And yes setup is better because there are no class spots and you often get in AV with 20 mages , 20 warriors etc. Also most shamans and priest horde side are actualy dps and not healers and all paladins are healers so⌠it is what it is.
To all the Alliance saying premades hurt them too, you are literally a couple clicks away from joining âpremadesâ yourself. The public ones (no rank requirement) are by no means a guaranteed win, but youâll start your games with at least 30 people that are there to get honor. They donât AFK or spend the entire game fighting at SH GY, even if the horde goes max turtle or end up winning, youâll still get 2-3k bonus honor instead of having one 40 minute game after the other with barely any honor.
You will become part of the problem, but you wonât be affected by it anymore.
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You can join the alliance premade discord and listen to it yourself.
Paladins cant be damagers till get their T2. And cant heal, because T1 unplayable for DPS. Paladin is holyreconing now or shokadin with mages clother gear. Pally will be playable only after T2.
Queing together not eq entering the same bg smartbrain. Cos the system sucks in Classic.