Shams are ridiculous now. I see them everywhere, so many of them in BGs, arena. Everyone rerolling to FOTM.
I’m tired of seeing them. I hope to god they aren’t this way in TWW.
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have you not seen the patch notes? they won’t change anything in pre patch but with TWW
as you can see, they already kicked eles in the nuts
Looks like dh/retri “nerfs”. Just wait and we see its same stuff in tww with ele. They drop totem and apply flame shock to all and go lavalavalava, and its the same.
The lava burst is real.
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25% damage reduction to LvB (main nuke) and Elemental Blast (biggest hitter), 15% damage reduction to Flame Shock, reduced Lava Surge proc chance on multiple Flame Shocks ticking, Primordial wave gives 10% haste down from 20%, duplicate Lava Bursts from Primordial dead 50% damage instead of 80%…
Yeah, those are not dh/retri nerfs, that is a heavy nerfbat. Since you for some reason didn’t read or care about what I wrote in another thread, I will repeat myself:
Ele in TWW has to hardcast quite a bit more Lava Bursts because of lower haste and Windspeaker’s Resurgence talent not existing anymore.
It is good that they nerfed the Lava Burst build, but I think they have overdone it a bit, because these nerfs also nerfed the whole gameplay loop of Flame Shock - Lava Surge system.
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No its not, their sustain got slight slap. Burst not enough which is the problem and how easy its to send. Its exaggeration to call that a huge nerf. They will still be as obnoxious as many other things thats coming in tww.
Yeah, I ve seen wow players loose their sh over 5% nerfs but keep pretending that a 25% nerf to two main nukes is not significant, on top of significantly reducing Primordial Wave damage potential.
That is not a “light slap”. And in what world is reducing two biggest hitting spells by 25% leaving burst untouched?
Ele may have Spiritwalkers grace to secure casts every 2 mins, but for the rest you counter it like you would counter ele so far - with dispells and as you would counter any other caster - with micro cc.
Source for this info - playing ele on beta.
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Hey, if you think elemental is weak or will be weak in future your free to have such opinion. If you look around however you will see that its the biggest problem in the game currently and will continue as one of the broken things in upcoming season. Anyways i have no more interest on this topic, continue it with someone else if must.
I don’t think anything, I’ve tested it and numbers speak for itself.
I just did some dps on pvp dummy on beta (so on actual pvp target the damage will be even less). LvB max hits were 700-800k with Totem of Wrath up (which will get destroyed on sight most of the time in actual arena anyway) and Flux Melting talent. Elemental Blast proc hits for 800kish. Skyfury and Frost Shocks 400-500k. And people in full pvp gear are having over 8 million hp.
On retail prepatch LvB is hitting 200-250k while on beta it is hitting 450-500k without modifiers, which means it does double the damage, while hp pools have gone up 4 times.
Season 1 gear (without crafted) with every possible haste piece gave me a whooping 14% haste. I had 4 flame shocks hitting and i got 10 seconds of downtime without a proc several times.
So they nerfed ele sustain earlier on beta, but now they nerfed burst as well. Ele has less procs and has to hardcast a lot more in TWW, and the payoff was supposed to be that the actual abilities were hitting harder.
Funny fact is these were mostly PvE nerfs in Blizzards attempt to make lightning build more viable.
So by all means walk away from the discussion, it wouldn’t be the first time you do that after someone presents an opinion that you don’t like or don’t agree with. You did the same with MM hunter threads where you first claimed MM is so easily shut down, but after MM got 10% buffs to AiS and RF apparently it became a godlike turret who just stands in the middle of the map pveing people.
Because apparently a 10% buff to two main nukes make a spec godlike, but 2 25% nerfs to another specs main nukes are a ‘‘slap to the wrist’’ nerf.
BTW I am not disagreeing ele was overtuned on beta. It was. It slapped hard. I can’t say how viable will it be now, because they did throw some buffs to Earth Shock, Skyfury and Farseer talent tree, which should offset the nerfs a bit, and we are still far from pvp tuning.
But this was deffo a heavy nerf, that is what I am challenging you about. And it worsened the gameplay feel. Ele shaman players were asking for less LvBursts, but more impactful ones. Now we got less procs, but the damage is also weak. Worst of both scenarios.
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Idk why keep write to me after clearly told to not be interested of the topic and suggested to continue the conversation with someone else who is. I get it, you like your elemental shaman and see nerf to it and think its becoming unplayable when its not, Im not reading any of that. Instead ill just ignore cause i cant bother get 5 replys of spam across forum of something same of defending ele when everyone can see its broken.
Eles are completely broken at the moment. Now that’s a fact.
You mean aimed shots are real?
Ele is not that broken compared to disc. Are you aware your spec does 200k pennance bolts each tick? Thats enough to 100-0 someone during ultimate pennance. Rethink your facts.
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Yes, you always do that when presented with arguments that don’t fit your narrative.
I always had a soft spot for you, but Brodanyo was right, you can be really unstable.
Yes, and no one is denying that. But the reason ele is broken on prepatch has to do with stuff that will be gone first week of TWW. Mainly the absolutely overpowered 4 set bonus, abundance of stats making haste reach ridiculous lvls and a bugged talent which procs a full power Elemental Blast, which should be 60%.
You are histerical over a 3 week remaning prepatch, which is equivalent of being outraged over twinks dominating the 30lvl bracket. That how insignificant the prepatch is. And so funny to see lot less outrage about both dk specs and ret to a degree who deal just as nuclear damage, but are almost immortal.
What you should actually be outraged is the fact that half the specs in game are unplayable thanks to the armor changes.
On beta ele was strong and overtuned, but not broken as it is on prepatch. And it recieved heavy nerfs 2 days ago which some people are trying to spin as ‘‘slap to the wrist’’.
And instead of demanding for ALL specs damage to be brought up, you are crying for nerfs as we are going into yet another slow, dampening meta expansion with overpowered healers needed to be OOM before any kill is landed.
Trollolol.
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I look the patch notes and see nerfs to ele being nothing considering how they are now and how they will be with hero talents, I speak to people in game with more exp than me who actually have exp with ele in arenas and not shuffles and they say its nerf to sustain and not big deal for burst. None were worried and more than anything laughed to the nerfs and concluded what I had self thought of the notes. Now ppl can do anything they want with this info I dont really care what anyone else thinks of it. It has no affect on me what someone else decides to think of something, now I would stop spamming reply on someone however who says theyre not interested for conversation. Why would I listen the opinions of someone who has nothing else than shuffle for exp as one. I dont.
Most casters need to be put back in line with what it means to be a caster, you can go entire arena matches not being able to kick a mage for instance. The damage nerfs wont fix the degenerate gameplay.
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I think its also ridiculous I have to spam juke which I have specific bind for cause I have to use it so often before able make single cast, and then they design some other spec and also completely overtune it and just make it drop some totem and go lavalavalavalava on screenfull of ppl while I had to juke my every cast trying to fish precog before able get anything out of my character. Its ridiculous how unbalanced the game is or how much more of an joke they can make of pvp with some modes like shuffles and designs what we see in df of some classes. I have zero interest for anything that defends any of it either.
I can see why you have over 10k posts. D:
Tbh think its bit unfair design few classes op mode with nothing but instants while rest continue lag behind with spellbook full of hard casted abilities in a meta full micro cc and other means to disrupt casts than just kick. Its either make all the same or not overtune these that are full of just instants with burst. It should be common sense that something with this much instant burst should not be overtuned to something that just keeps yeeting healthpools away from their screen. Its the definition of broken. Nothing will change much on that for tww either but there will be alot similar from other classes and specs that will counter this and they can be obnoxious with their designs to each other if that is any comfort.
Even he stopped to complain about MM. Imagine, how bad is spec right now. But i expect better performance from him. For example, he could have post from a shaman to be more convincing.