They just need to integrate GL into PL.
Boss dies → random people get PL loot → these people now have the option to either keep the item or add it to GL with a button press → adding an item to GL makes it popup for all other raid/party members to roll for.
Simple, easy, fair for all. With no downsides.
I far preferred PL over GL. I got more loot with PL than I ever have with GL.
I think because PL caters towards the players in the raid, their class and specialisation means the drops are far more meaningful. Now effectively less loot drops as GL gives you anything off the loot table whether people who can use it are present or not.
Under PL I got two items per full clear, under GL I can just not get anything at all. It feels really unrewarding. I would far rather actually get loot and give it away if I don’t want it than constantly just get nothing.
Under PL I’ve always had a reasonable time gathering transmog (tier sets) on my six alt paladins but now it’s a waste of space. I’ve actually had to gather the whole set through the vault or catalyst. There is something very wrong with gearing with GL.
My main does fine most of the time, because I raid with a guild and we have a Loot Council.
We had 3 Shields drop from Nymue with zero people that could equip them.
We repeatedly had guns and bows, we only have like one hunter. How many do you think he’s going to need.
The group system is not good.
Should have been choice between personal and group loot.
Rng is blind so you cannot attribute fault to someone, but when some cretin rolls on an item they literally do not need, or it’s barely an upgrade, or sidegrade, or rolled because “they didn’t pay attention” that causes a lot of resentment, for good reason.
Group loot in pugs literally makes the game worse just because of the added resentment.
Gl and Pl are two totally different systems And the main reason why,is because Pl was a fair system where everybody in a raid,was getting 2 items sometimes 3,per run
Including bis gear that now,everyone rolls and the chances to get something bis,are only from your vault,which idk whats more horrible
If group loot is the “sAme WiTh PerSoNaL LooT” ,please explain why in Shadowlands everyone was getting 2 or 3 pieces and why not now? I mean if they are THE SAME, we should be getting also 2-3 pieces,RIGHT?!?!?!
I wasn’t getting 2-3 items per run. I got 0-1 and it wasn’t even always an upgrade. And if we’re gonna use anecdotal evidence, I got a tier from LFR on week one this patch, proving that GL is superior.
M+ has PL and it’s flooding us with useless trash and duplicates, which is funny because the main argument against GL is “what if we get 2 guns and we don’t have a hunter” but everyone ignores that a poorly designed PL is just as bad.
No. 1 piece per raid was guaranteed. 2 pieces were average drop and at times 3
That was all PL system throughout Shadowlands
Its a fact that everyone knows,not anecdotal evidence. And in no way people got 0 loot in a raid so that just proves how desperate you are to push a point everyone is against
No power point presentation will justify the 1-2-3 guaranteed pieces of loot in PL per raid to 0(zero) for weeks on row now
The end tbh
I have been playing in Shadowlands a lot. Got KSM on 3 out of 4 seasons,always got curve and cutting edge on Sylvanas.
What you’re saying is wrong. Everyone was getting AT LEAST 1 piece of gear and most if times 2
Now we getting the D 
Link the blue post that says PL had bad luck protection and how it worked.
If people’s chance to get loot had been independent of each other it would’ve been theoretically possible for all 25 of us to get a loot from the same boss kill. And yet, it was always the same number depending on group size.
So now ,the problem with PL was that 25 people werent getting loot every boss or what are you even saying?
Per raid ,every single player in the raid got per average 2 items.
Now,you can raid for weeks and get nothing
Is this too hard to understand? 2 is bigger than 0
2>0
Well, if you had studied combinatorics instead of getting KSM and curve you’d understand what I’m saying.
Understand that this is a video game based around loot ,people investing their time and effort into the hopes of getting rewards
When you cut the two items per raid to zero per weeks,you get a lot of “bring back PL” topics,as you can search in the toolbar and see for yourself
Theres no power point explanation or mathematic genius ecuation that can justify 2 is the same as 0
Never 2 will be the same as 0 in a pug or lfr wow players eyes
I loled hard. Weird flex on wow forums but ok. And no,gl is not the same as pl. You really have to force the boudries of logic to even get a slight remotely resemblance between the two systems. Loot rolls are irrelevant. Numbers of pieces per raid or boss are irrelevant
The fact you already had the item you won,is irrelevant
A wow player like myself who only pugs and looking for raid,will stop playing under group loot,which I did. Is a jungle out there,everyone is needing on everything and leaving the raid
More often than not i remember in PL people rolling out the items they didnt need
But blizz wouldnt be selling tokens so people buy vip guaranted loot runs ,under PL system
Learn to deal with your aggression in private like an adult instead of going on forum to rage and insult randoms.
Excuse me?
The only real difference between the two is PL forces everyone to press need, then generates items based on the actual players’ specs.
Everything you described is just a combination of emotions, bias and ignorance about the system itself.
The main conclusion blizzard will draw from all this is players don’t care how hard the game is… “disrespecting” them as long as they THINK it’s fair.
PS:
If they swapped to SL personal loot right now, it would make it a hundred times easier for people to sell items because atm you can’t roll need on everything.
Learn to avoid forums if people expressing any form of emotion other than happy-land-mamby-pamby-lets-not-risk-offending-anyone makes you uncomfortable.
No you should avoid the forums if you cannot behave like an adult.
I know you aren’t one, but surely you’ve encountered a few.
One last time ,care to explain if its the same system,how come I used to get ~2 pieces every raid in Shadowlands and now I get the D?
I mean if they are the same,how come? I dont care if I roll under the table or above the eiffel tower for loot,how in the world every single player used to get loot and now not?
If its the same. How? You dodge this question and try so hard to not admit that PL had a fair distribution where everyone got something for their effort
You maybe understand math but definitely dont understand human nature
Human nature is ,wanting a reward after putting in the work
In WoW we put in the work,we pay a sub and spend time and effort into a raid that gives ZERO back
Can you grasp this concept or youre to stuck up into ecuations to actually understand the issue here?
Rather shock life lesson for you, but being an adult is having to deal with complex emotions instead of just molly coddling people. The fact you don’t understand this, demonstrates more about you than it does me.